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Old 11.11.2009, 22:02
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You can also look into direction of VW Touran. It is 7 seats. I tried it multiple times at work, as my college has it, so a bunch of us get there each lunch time . Interesting car as-well. It is mpv, and it is cheap.
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Old 11.11.2009, 22:13
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There seem to be quite a few XC90s on autoscout. Some fetch under 20K chf now. With interest at 4%, a new one costing 80K, you are looking to shell out 14,400 a year, 12K on depreciation and 2400 on interest, plus tyres, etc. I saw a 2003 Diesel on there for 19K. You could join TCS, buy an old one, and see how you get on over the winter. I bet you would get a good price for your old car on Ricardo, too.
Not a bad idea, however we could see us keeping this ten years and as we do less than 10,000 km a year it should not be too steep in running costs. Yes, the depreciation is a bummer, I have to admit the cars all seem expensive now. We are members of TCS, they have been really good for providing us information, never needed them for anything else so far.
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Old 11.11.2009, 22:20
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Well, 80k opens a new fields of possibilities . As usual, I'd recommend Toyota Land Cruiser: http://fr.toyota.ch/cars/new_cars/la...ser/index.aspx

You got almost top configuration for the price 79.9k. With diesel engine 3l but with very good consumption. Toyota these days plays a very good attention to efficiency, their engines are really good, they say it is 7.2liters mixed !

Toyota is better than Volvo in terms of efficiency, comfort and reliability.

If you dislike Toyota Land Cruiser, take a look at Honda CRV 40k: http://honda.ch/auto/fr/fr-fr/index....etail_crv/prix it is much less and cheaper.

Also, I'd look into Nissan Murano 60k: http://fr.nissan.ch/#vehicles/crossovers/murano

But my advise is not to spend huge money on car Spend 50k on it, and save 30k for your kids to enter swiss university in a few years in future
No, I like the Toyota Land Cruiser, drove one when I was in Oz.... hmm sweet memories Will have a look at that.

Will have a look at the Nissan Murano.
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Old 11.11.2009, 22:41
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Toyota is better than Volvo in terms of efficiency, comfort and reliability.
I know that others will disagree with me but this statement is completely opinion based. It truly depends on what you consider important with regard to these three factors.
Depending on how fast you drive and how much load you carry your efficiency may vary.

Your comfort will totally depend on your body type. I have never been comfortable in most Japanese vehicles compared to Volvo, BMW and Volkswagon. Nothing falls to hand for me and I can't sit in one for more than 20 or 30 minutes before I am terribly uncomfortable. Human ergonomics are far more important to me than gadgetry and cleverness. I don't care how many functions I can control with one stalk. This is the same reason that I prefer the previous generation of BMW to the current one.

As far as reliability, that also depends on your definition parameters are. I like my cars to work no matter how stupid things get and don't consider some repairs the be a consideration. If I can beat the crap out of my car and drive it on the Autobahn at speeds double the legal limit in this country without killing myself or endangering others then I am happy. The wife feels the same way about this as well.

I am not saying that you are wrong for your self. It just sounded like a black or white assertion of fact. These so called facts depend on what your metric being tested for is.

BTW, everything I deleted in the quote, I agree with.

Good Luck, at 80K you have a very large budget.
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Old 11.11.2009, 23:05
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BTW: The 2010 VW caravelle will be available in 4WD and DSG so maybe to be fair this should go back on the list. Not sure what you classify this as though People mover!
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Your comfort will totally depend on your body type. I have never been comfortable in most Japanese vehicles compared to Volvo, BMW and Volkswagon. Nothing falls to hand for me and I can't sit in one for more than 20 or 30 minutes before I am terribly uncomfortable. Human ergonomics are far more important to me than gadgetry and cleverness.
So very true. I remember last year when I went to Autozuri to try out all the cars. I was so disappointed to find that there were only very few brands that actually make comfortable cars that you can drive long distances in. I remember getting more and more annoyed trying peugeots, suzukis, toyotas and such, there was always something wrong with it ergonomically, pushing me back to the more expensive (german) brands...
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Old 11.11.2009, 23:16
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I have never been comfortable in most Japanese vehicles compared to Volvo, BMW and Volkswagon.
That's why I suggest OP (Original Poster) to take a serious job in testing all the possible cars

Truly speaking, with budget 80k there is a really wide choice. OP can also take a look at Audi Q7 (cheapest new is 81k, 3.0 TDI).

But those luxury cars are expensive to maintain, insure and pay "SAN" taxes
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That's why I suggest OP (Original Poster) to take a serious job in testing all the possible cars

Truly speaking, with budget 80k there is a really wide choice. OP can also take a look at Audi Q7 (cheapest new is 81k, 3.0 TDI).

But those luxury cars are expensive to maintain, insure and pay "SAN" taxes
Yeah, I have a nice simple BMW 330xiT with only 201hp and doesn't weight that much. cost 1500/yr to insure and 1700 for SAN taxes. I only paid 18000chf for the car to begin with.

And you bring up a very important point which is the OP should make sure to check registration taxes/costs and insurance costs as well when they look at these cars.

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Old 12.11.2009, 00:31
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with only 201hp and doesn't weight that much. cost 1500/yr to insure
I pay 1400 / year for ~170 hp
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Not a bad idea, however we could see us keeping this ten years and as we do less than 10,000 km a year it should not be too steep in running costs. Yes, the depreciation is a bummer,
To minimise depreciation, buy an above average KM car, do little mileage, bring KM's down to average, moving the car up one price band in the dealers depriciation table!
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Old 14.11.2009, 11:55
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Re: What MPV?

Quick Update:

We had our Audi/BMW day on Thursday. BMW 5 touring series we drove was a nice car but didn't light our fire. The wife was more interested in the X5 which was not on show so we could only peer through a customers one which was in for service. The wife uttering it is too small.

Nice cars though without a doubt.

Audi, well they are pretty now I have to say, I had a few Audi's in the late 80's to 90's. The salesman was confident 3 full car seats was possible in the A6 Avants, so summoned my wife to fetch a car seat. Yes, possible but not much room left. We were offered test drives, so we thought why not... The wife drove the Q7, they did not have an A6 Avant so had to test drive the S6 Avant (told me it was just a bit more sporty).... man what a beautiful car to drive.

I can definitely see why people buy the Audi's they oozzzee build quality and great to drive.

None of the cars we think are really that practical though.

Friday ... we took the day and went to Mercedes, VW, Skoda, Opel and Suzuki ....but in short there is some possibilities from Mercedes but price wise a step too far, VW Touran is an option as is Zafira... We also looked at the old version of the Toyota Land Cruiser.

We are pretty much done in with looking at cars and now going to think of which one is the best choice.

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We had our Audi/BMW day on Thursday. BMW 5 touring series we drove was a nice car but didn't light our fire. The wife was more interested in the X5 which was not on show so we could only peer through a customers one which was in for service. The wife uttering it is too small.
Just out of curiosity why didn't you like the 5 Touring? I was wondering as I used to own a % Touring in the States and we liked it quite a bit. Of course it was a 2006 model so maybe there is a big difference between it and what you drove.

We will eventually buy another one and I was wanting to know what you thought.

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Old 14.11.2009, 22:18
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Just out of curiosity why didn't you like the 5 Touring? I was wondering as I used to own a % Touring in the States and we liked it quite a bit. Of course it was a 2006 model so maybe there is a big difference between it and what you drove.

We will eventually buy another one and I was wanting to know what you thought.

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Do not get me wrong, it was a very nice car, the driving position seemed a bit lower and a bit firmer than I expected. For some reason I did not feel at ease with it. Not sure why this is, maybe it is just an individual thing. Maybe a longer drive would have changed our opinion, we were constrained to a 5km around town. This is definitely a luxury car there is no doubt about that.
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Do not get me wrong, it was a very nice car, the driving position seemed a bit lower and a bit firmer than I expected. For some reason I did not feel at ease with it. Not sure why this is, maybe it is just an individual thing. Maybe a longer drive would have changed our opinion, we were constrained to a 5km around town. This is definitely a luxury car there is no doubt about that.
NO, you are correct, it is an individual thing.

Yes, the cars are very stiff and firm. They don't come to life until you get them over city speeds. I like them best in the mountains and on the Autobahn.

Thanks, I am comforted to hear that they haven't changed. That may explain why you like the Volvo. I thought that it was a bit soft when I drove it and not as much a "driver's car". But, it is an excellent car to drive in town and the Automatic gear box is one of the most flexible ones I have the privilege to try. Still it is an obvious compromise between the BMWs and the almost mushy rubbish that define most of the people movers in the US.

Good Luck trying to make up you mind now that you have driven so many different options. BTW, the Mercedes are a good compromise as well, just really expensive. Especially in this country.

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Good afternoon gentlemen,

I have been following this thread with interest as it is very timely for us that you are discussing MPVs. We are now at the stage in our family where we need those extra few seats too.

The info on here has been so fantastic and has allowed me to look at car options s much better informed than I would have been.

I was at a dealership this morning looking at two options ( we are looking second hand) and wanted to get any feedback from your much more informed point of view.

We are trading in our Audi A4 Avant 2.0TDI with 39,300km. It will be 3 years old end of next month so we are now off the factory warranty. The dealer said they would give us 26,000Chf as a trade in on the car.

As a replacement, I looked at the following two cars:

VW Touran 2.0 TDI Trend.
  • Manufacture date 4/2009
  • Kms: 19,700 (which seems a lot for a 6 month old car)
  • Factory warranty until 4/2011
  • Automatic transmission
  • Price Chf 35,900
Toyota Corolla Verso 2.2D-4D
  • Manufacture date 9/2008
  • Kms 8,900
  • Factory warranty until 9/2011
  • Manual transmission
  • Price Chf 34,900
My head is telling me the Toyota is the better option. It also has built-in GPS, bluetooth, back and front cameras. But I like the look of the VW better and I would assume I'd get better resale value on a VW than a Toyota.

Any comments or feedback would really be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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Hello,
have you tried climbing into the 3rd row seats? We have had a brief look at the Toyota, a nice car, but decided that it would be too much of a hassle for our parents to get in...
The Touran is a very nice car, and it being a VW it will last you a while as well.
Where have you looked? The cars are both fairly new and with little kms on the clock, but they seem a touch expensive? We quite liked ROC in Crissier (bought from them once) and BOC in Bussigny.
Tough choice, good luck!
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As a replacement, I looked at the following two cars:

VW Touran 2.0 TDI Trend.
Toyota Corolla Verso 2.2D-4D

Thanks in advance,
Mel
This me expressing my bias for European cars but I would bet that the Volkswagen will drive better. But, I don't like Automatic transmissions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...icle458024.ece
Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear says that the Toyota is great for kids but rubbish to drive.

Why am I not surprised. Having said this I do know lots of people who don't care how cars are to drive. I am just not one of them.

You should definitely drive them back to back if you can with your kids and see if you care about the cleverness vs drivability.

Another option is the Seat Alhambra. It seems good for kids too.

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have you tried climbing into the 3rd row seats? We have had a brief look at the Toyota, a nice car, but decided that it would be too much of a hassle for our parents to get in...
The Touran is a very nice car, and it being a VW it will last you a while as well.
Where have you looked? The cars are both fairly new and with little kms on the clock, but they seem a touch expensive? We quite liked ROC in Crissier (bought from them once) and BOC in Bussigny.
Tough choice, good luck!
Thanks Swisskat. The dealer is ROC in Crissier. We bought the Audi from them a couple of years ago and they were good to deal with. We get a bit of a discount off the quoted prices from them due to an agreement with my husband's employer.

I'll go down and check out BOC in Bussigny as well.

Having done a bit more research in the last hour or so, the Toyota is getting far better reviews than the VW Touran. But at ROC they have a huge selection of almost new VW which were apparently former employee cars (apparently that's what our Audi was).

Also, I know that the trade-in price for the Audi is way lower than they are listing on Ricardo (especially for such low kms) but our French is just not up to dealing with selling a car privately in this market. It's a shame.
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We quite liked ROC in Crissier (bought from them once) and BOC in Bussigny.
Tough choice, good luck!
I second ROC in Crissier. Even though we didn't buy from them. They didn't have exactly what we wanted. They had lots of very nice cars and were knowledgeable and very attentive.

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I second ROC in Crissier. Even though we didn't buy from them. They didn't have exactly what we wanted. They had lots of very nice cars and were knowledgeable and very attentive.

Brian
Yes, ROC is great. I dealt with a very helpful guy this morning who was happy to speak in english rather than have me struggle through in french. While I was speaking to him he had a call from a recently arrived expat who also needed english, so it seems they are doing a great business in the expat market.
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