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Old 20.11.2009, 14:14
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Thanks Swisskat. The dealer is ROC in Crissier. We bought the Audi from them a couple of years ago and they were good to deal with. We get a bit of a discount off the quoted prices from them due to an agreement with my husband's employer.

I'll go down and check out BOC in Bussigny as well.

Having done a bit more research in the last hour or so, the Toyota is getting far better reviews than the VW Touran. But at ROC they have a huge selection of almost new VW which were apparently former employee cars (apparently that's what our Audi was).

Also, I know that the trade-in price for the Audi is way lower than they are listing on Ricardo (especially for such low kms) but our French is just not up to dealing with selling a car privately in this market. It's a shame.
Yeah, I think that ROC gets a lot of their cars from AMAG across the road. I do know that a lot of their cars are off lease fleet vehicles and have largely been dealer serviced.

Depending on where you live there are quite a few Carrosorie in the Saint Prex area that have decent cars at reasonable prices.

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Would really be intested in what you finally choose as I have been looking for a car to replace my '96 previa. There's no car with as much interior room (and seating) within a 4.6 meter footprint. You might consider getting a used one or you can buy a new Sienna here or import your own. I have driven the Sienna, the mercedes R class, the XC90, the Subaru Tribeca...nothing really compares with the simplicity and functionalities of the Previa.
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Old 22.11.2009, 22:50
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Yeah, I think that ROC gets a lot of their cars from AMAG across the road.
I visited ROC & BOC in Bussigny & Crissier this weekend. The prices seems to be higher if compare with german part .... I'd definitly buy an vw/audi/skoda there, and save a few thusands
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I visited ROC & BOC in Bussigny & Crissier this weekend. The prices seems to be higher if compare with german part .... I'd definitly buy an vw/audi/skoda there, and save a few thusands
Are you referring to Germany or the German speak section of the CH?
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Are you referring to Germany or the German speak section of the CH?
I refer to a German speaking part of Switzerland. Recently we (I helped a friend of mine to choose car) bought a car in Bern, a BMW 320, it was in a few k less than we saw here, in Lausanne area!
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Old 23.11.2009, 00:01
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I refer to a German speaking part of Switzerland. Recently we (I helped a friend of mine to choose car) bought a car in Bern, a BMW 320, it was in a few k less than we saw here, in Lausanne area!
Yeah, I seem to remember the same. We looked at quite a few cars in that area. We ended up buying from a gentleman in the area near Neuchatel.

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Old 23.11.2009, 16:40
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Re: What MPV?

We are also in the market to replace our pesent car (07 Subaru 2.0l Confort Legacy wagon)for a diesel motored car and the only car that keeps on making sense for us is the new Subaru Outback. The new model is longer and wider than the previous model and has a 6 speed manual box, 150hp with 350nm. Base price 43,000chf 4x4 included and the top model 50,000chf.
Ford and Honda wagons are nice cars but over priced and no 4x4. Mazda 5 and 6 well priced and nice well thought out cars but even small things are options which increase the price quickly, the cx7 has 4x4 but suffers the options problem as the other two, but pretty sure all three are 7 seaters, something we don't need.
The Legacy/Outback are the largest cars from the Subi range, I would have a look before you buy anything else, but no seven seat option.
I have a problem having to pay German quality prices when the Japs have it pretty well sorted as well.
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Old 23.11.2009, 17:03
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Would really be intested in what you finally choose as I have been looking for a car to replace my '96 previa. There's no car with as much interior room (and seating) within a 4.6 meter footprint. You might consider getting a used one or you can buy a new Sienna here or import your own. I have driven the Sienna, the mercedes R class, the XC90, the Subaru Tribeca...nothing really compares with the simplicity and functionalities of the Previa.
We looked at the Toyota Previa's and there are a couple of new ones on www.autoscout24.ch they look pretty good as all round people carriers. We decided if we were going for that we would rather go for the VW Caravelle and wait for the 4motion DSG (auto).

In the end we went for the Volvo XC90 as 98% of the time it would be excellent for us. I found the ride a bit softer than I like but really it is for the wife, I know how she drives and she was very comfortable with it. Having made our minds up we then tried talking to the local Volvo garage and it was a bit like talking to a brick wall.... he just kept on trying to sell us what was in the showroom.... ffs... I am not going to spend 77K and not have wash wipe or electric folding wing mirrors. Cut a long story short I shopped around some of the Volvo dealers in Switzerland and there does not seem to be much discount to be had. There is also some older metal sitting on the forecourts, turns out the original garage was trying to sell us a 2009 model and then told us, well if you want a new one, I will see what I can do. We tried globalcartrading about a direct import but in the end have started the process ourself with Volvo(UK) via the expats scheme. Saving is in the region of 20,000 CHF minimum (after tax), so imo worth doing (plus it is going to be new). The only down side is no free servicing for 3 years or the over priced parts, but we plan to take care of that elsewhere. Yes, I know it is not a Swiss car but in ten years time, Swiss or non Swiss it is not going to make that much difference to the value.

Honestly my head is pretty much done in with cars now. Will write up the process we went through with Volvo(UK) afterwards so that others can see if that interests them.
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Old 23.11.2009, 19:21
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We tried globalcartrading about a direct import but in the end have started the process ourself with Volvo(UK) via the expats scheme. Saving is in the region of 20,000 CHF minimum (after tax), so imo worth doing (plus it is going to be new). The only down side is no free servicing for 3 years or the over priced parts, but we plan to take care of that elsewhere. Yes, I know it is not a Swiss car but in ten years time, Swiss or non Swiss it is not going to make that much difference to the value.
We bought our Volvo through TDS (expats scheme) and 3 years of services were included. We got a UK model since we had L Permits and didn't think we would stay. The UK model had many extras included, saving around CHF 30k off the Swiss purchase price. Taxes ended up being < 3k, on the 2 year old value.

We collected it from Sweden ourselves, avoiding the delivery and local dealer fees. Volvo put on a nice lunch, including beer , then gave us a tour of the factory. We drove back over 4 days and made a holiday out of it.
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Old 23.11.2009, 19:41
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We bought our Volvo through TDS (expats scheme) and 3 years of services were included. We got a UK model since we had L Permits and didn't think we would stay. The UK model had many extras included, saving around CHF 30k off the Swiss purchase price. Taxes ended up being < 3k, on the 2 year old value.

We collected it from Sweden ourselves, avoiding the delivery and local dealer fees. Volvo put on a nice lunch, including beer , then gave us a tour of the factory. We drove back over 4 days and made a holiday out of it.
Hi,

Yes, I think our saving is going to be similar to yours but did not want to say the exact amount until we had paid all the money. We end up with a European model LHD Summon with all the toys on including in car entertainment, the exterior styling kit for less than the roof cross bars here. In the end the deal that was being done was excellent so it was hard to resist. In the end we were scouring the option list to see what we did not have on it. I wanted to do the Sweden route as they advertised but did not seem available to us. Not sure if that is a change in policy or?

Anyway we are really pleased with the deal and managed to order a set of alloys+Pirelli winter tyres from Micheldever tyres for less than 1500 CHF which we will pick up at the same time, along with a boot load of shopping no doubt. Should pick it up towards the end of January with a bit of luck.
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Old 23.11.2009, 21:47
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We bought our Volvo through TDS (expats scheme) and 3 years of services were included. We got a UK model since we had L Permits and didn't think we would stay. The UK model had many extras included, saving around CHF 30k off the Swiss purchase price. Taxes ended up being < 3k, on the 2 year old value.

We collected it from Sweden ourselves, avoiding the delivery and local dealer fees. Volvo put on a nice lunch, including beer , then gave us a tour of the factory. We drove back over 4 days and made a holiday out of it.
That sounds lovely. I am thinking when I move back to the USA about buying a BMW on the EUropean Delivery Program and driving it around here for a few months and the taking it back to the USA. I don't know what the rules are for dealing with the taxes and insurance, etc.

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Re: What MPV?

Magic,

Not sure if you are still looking, but if you are you should consider the Honda FRV, its a super car ( as Honda's are ) you can get it with leather interior, it fits three child seats in the back and can also fit three adults in the front, each with their own seat. If you are not using the middle seat in the front, it folds down to become an armreast / small table with 4 cupholders. It has a great spec.
Check out the Honda website.

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Hi,

We placed the order for a Volvo XC90 and paid the deposit. We looked at the Honda's but discounted them, well screwed together though. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Well as I have a couple of moments I thought I would post back what we bought and how much. Volvo XC90 Summun with pretty much every extra you can think of. It is the 2010 model which created a bit of interest down at the Volvo garage when we were having the anti-polution test done. Price including all import taxes, tests, Swiss registration etc, 64,987 CHF.

We did the importation and anti-polution test on Monday and had the inspection and plates sorted out on the Tuesday. So it is possible to do the whole process pretty quickly.

Here is the website for expats who may be interested in buying a volvo via this route: http://www.volvocarstaxfree.com/
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Well as I have a couple of moments I thought I would post back what we bought and how much. Volvo XC90 Summun with pretty much every extra you can think of. It is the 2010 model which created a bit of interest down at the Volvo garage when we were having the anti-polution test done. Price including all import taxes, tests, Swiss registration etc, 64,987 CHF.

We did the importation and anti-polution test on Monday and had the inspection and plates sorted out on the Tuesday. So it is possible to do the whole process pretty quickly.

Here is the website for expats who may be interested in buying a volvo via this route: http://www.volvocarstaxfree.com/
Looks like that Volvo has UK plates on it. Is that correct?

What kind of engine did you get in this car? Just curious about the emissions comment.

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Here is the website for expats who may be interested in buying a volvo via this route: http://www.volvocarstaxfree.com/
I wish more people would do this; then maybe the ludicrous Swiss car prices would come down.

Saying that, it does enable expats to buy a LHD car in the UK, bring it to Switzerland and sell it a year later and not lose any money.
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Looks like that Volvo has UK plates on it. Is that correct?

What kind of engine did you get in this car? Just curious about the emissions comment.

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Hi Brian,

Well spotted, that was on the Sunday when we cleaned it. We picked it up on the Thursday, the wife went shopping on Thursday pm, Friday whilst I fitted the roof box and loaded the winter tyres and alloys + her 5ft Xmas tree.

We travelled back from the UK on Saturday, unloaded and cleaned the car on the Sunday, anti-polution & import on the Monday, inspection and plates on the Tuesday.

The Thule roofbox (photo on the Sunday before unloading) GE Plate photo on the Tuesday also note the different alloy wheels and winter tyres.
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Looks like that Volvo has UK plates on it. Is that correct?

What kind of engine did you get in this car? Just curious about the emissions comment.

Brian.
The engine is the 2.4 Diesel but it has been re-worked to lower the emissions for 2010 and also slight improvement on the consumption. Do not have figures to hand but can have a look through the emails and find the details if you want.

BTW: Insurance proved a bit nerve racking but found a few companies that would do this, in the end we went with Zurich Connect.
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I wish more people would do this; then maybe the ludicrous Swiss car prices would come down.

Saying that, it does enable expats to buy a LHD car in the UK, bring it to Switzerland and sell it a year later and not lose any money.
I quess it is a choice, but for me it was a no brainer, bottom of the range Volvo XC90 Kinetic (showroom and over a year old) + Swiss serive pack for 76,000 CHF or top of the range Summon for 65,000 CHF.

Not that we expect to tow anything but we added the self levelling suspension, rear parking camera and also the front parking sensors (back are standard).

Few shots of the interior in case someone is interested.
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how does one qualify for this?

Do you have to be a Brit?
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