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Old 25.10.2015, 08:45
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I intend to check in with my insurance provider to understand their policy on using all weather tyres in, well, all weathers & also if they play a role in a prejudicing an accident assessment, I'll let you know how it goes with them...
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The general consensus here, despite dire warnings to the contrary, is that all season tyres are not prejudicial in an accident assessment - so long as they're in good condition and you're not on a "winter tyres only in snowy conditions" road. So I'll be interested to hear what your insurers say.

Slammer's quote above concerns summer tyres, not all season.

The overhead with winter/summer tyres over all season is the cost of storage and change over. For me the extra margin of safety is worth this cost.
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Old 25.10.2015, 09:36
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Re: All weather tires

I agree. We had our changed over on Saturday. Frankly if you have storage space of your own (garage/cave) then the cost of changing them over if you can't do it yourself is worth it for the extra safety. Btw it cost us CHF30 which included balancing as well.
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Old 25.10.2015, 10:31
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The general consensus here, despite dire warnings to the contrary, is that all season tyres are not prejudicial in an accident assessment
In case of an accident I would assume that sufficient thread depth plus the presence of the "M+S" symbol would be the two factors required for the tires to be considered roadworthy on ice or snow.
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Old 25.10.2015, 12:35
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I agree. We had our changed over on Saturday. Frankly if you have storage space of your own (garage/cave) then the cost of changing them over if you can't do it yourself is worth it for the extra safety. Btw it cost us CHF30 which included balancing as well.
Of course that was the price for each wheel.

I keep my winter tyres on spare steel rims, and change them over myself, I spent an hour last weekend doing this. Once balanced, you don't usually need fresh balancing as the tyre will wear evenly (Unless of course you don't have them already mounted on rims!) Pay attention to the rotation symbol, with the arrow rotation->, some tyres are designed to be used and rotated only in one direction! Put the tyres with the deepest tread on the rear axle.

Otherwise you all need to make the appointment at the garage soon: at the moment in Bern they are booked up for the next 10 days!
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Old 25.10.2015, 18:08
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Re: All weather tires

Thanks all for inputs. I sent the insurance an email today so let's see what they say.

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Re: All weather tires

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Once balanced, you don't usually need fresh balancing as the tyre will wear evenly

I have some "premium" brand 215/60 R16 fixed on their rims and I had to rebalance them every year. A pity because changing the rims'n'tires myself is much faster than driving to a garage.
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Re: All weather tires

The long and short of it is, if they were really so good, everybody would use them and that's the end of the story.

But we ALL know deep down they are a compromise between summer and winter tyres, and whilst they are good, legal and anything else you want to mention, the fact remains, they are a compromise.

If you had a serious accident, think injuries, wheelchairs + cancellation of "+Exit" subscription, would you really be happy you used a compromise ?

Winter tyres do NOT cost any more, sure you need to finance the purchase but afterwards, surprise, surprise, the summer ones last TWICE as long as before because you only use them 6 months of the year !
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Old 25.10.2015, 18:40
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The general consensus here, despite dire warnings to the contrary, is that all season tyres are not prejudicial in an accident assessment - so long as they're in good condition and you're not on a "winter tyres only in snowy conditions" road. So I'll be interested to hear what your insurers say.

Slammer's quote above concerns summer tyres, not all season.

The overhead with winter/summer tyres over all season is the cost of storage and change over. For me the extra margin of safety is worth this cost.
There are no roads that require 'winter tyres only', they require M&S tyres (Mud & Snow), all season tyres are rated as M&S so are fine.
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There are no roads that require 'winter tyres only', they require M&S tyres (Mud & Snow), all season tyres are rated as M&S so are fine.
The M+S symbol is deemed to be a marketing element of the tyre manufacturer so you need only have tyres that are suitable but yes M+S is seen to be the minimum standard if you can call it that. You still need though to be able to safely drive the car. If your all-seasons don't allow that then you might be prevented from continuing on some roads where others are allowed but it's unlikely, or you simply physically can't continue on the road.

Google and youtube are your friends here for comparing winter/all-season/summer tyres (as they are for most questions on here.) You'll see that it's a bit like having an all-season jacket :-)

To me, it's more important to have good tread depth in the winter, so I do not want to be wearing down my tyres in the summer if I'm going to use them in the winter, hence I have summer and winter wheel sets, which I fit myself. In Austria there's a legal minimum of 4 or 5mm for winter tyres so every mm counts.

The Swiss have no rules to say you can't use winter/M+S tyres in the summer but they do say that in general braking ability will be compromised.
I believe in Italy now it's actually illegal to use winter tyres during the summer season.

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M+S and the snowflake symbol are deemed to be marketing elements of the tyre manufacturer so you need only have tyres that are suitable but yes M+S is seen to be the minimum standard if you can call it that. You still need though to be able to safely drive the car. If your all-seasons don't allow that then you might be prevented from continuing on some roads where others are allowed but it's unlikely, or you simply physically can't continue on the road.
Translated from a Swiss website:
"In Switzerland, there is therefore no explicit obligation for snow tires. Punished but who caused due to insufficient tires an accident or hindered the traffic."

TCS and ASTRA both recommend against all-season tyres. If you never plan to go out in the snow, especially if there are hills and you want something a bit better than hard summer tyres then all-seasons might be all you need.
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Old 27.10.2015, 12:31
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There are no roads that require 'winter tyres only', they require M&S tyres (Mud & Snow), all season tyres are rated as M&S so are fine.

Seen similar in Germany on the way to the Belchen Seilbahn. Except that it says you are allowed chains as well.
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Seen similar in Germany on the way to the Belchen Seilbahn. Except that it says you are allowed chains as well.
What he means is, when it says in Germany "Winterreifen", it (generally) means tyres with the "M+S" marking. Every M+S marked tyre, even if a summer tyre, is allowable as a "Winterreifen".
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Old 27.10.2015, 13:53
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I believe in Italy now it's actually illegal to use winter tyres during the summer season.
Only if they have a lower max speed rating than the top speed of the vehicle, so in general, no problem.

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Re: All weather tires

With this climate change and living in the LAKE area it will be soon all season tyres for me...
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They should have fitted winter tires:





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Re: All weather tires

Maybe this can help in your decision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fI5M6_XVk

Honestly, use em for summer.
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Or the have used winter tires in spring on a wet road :>
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Clearly the road is need of repair!
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Old 14.01.2017, 11:12
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Or the have used winter tires in spring on a wet road :>
No, this was yesterday near Modena, the road is iced over.

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