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Old 16.03.2012, 17:44
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Re: ZVV 80Fr fine - Resonable?

I realise what the site says, however, I've been able to buy a ticket from every bus driver from all the buses that I've been on in Zurich and in Zug... I guess there might be a few buses that don't have them, but i'm yet to step onto one... please let me know if you find one that doesn't...
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Old 16.03.2012, 22:16
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Re: ZVV 80Fr fine - Resonable?

Years ago, I wrote about my 1st experience with the S-Bahn conductors. It was my first official day IN Switzerland, as I had just flown to Milan to pick up my Swiss visa.

As I had been in CH for a few weeks and knew that I would be traveling a lot, I explained to the cashier at the train station that I would need a monthly pass that would be good between Zurich and ZRH. I purchased the ticket and put it in my wallet, using it several times before flying to Milan.

New visa in hand, I was coming home on the S16, dressed in a suit and with an overnight bag. And then I got controlled. I happily produced my ticket, and the young-ish conductor told me I had the wrong ticket. I tried to explain that I purchased the ticket from the train station after explaining what my needs were for the month. And if there was a mistake, I was sorry but thought that I was sold the correct ticket (and whatever I did pay for was quite expensive).

Yelling at me by now, I was told that I should know what I am buying if have paid so much for a ticket. How could I NOT know... at this point I knew I was dealing with someone that was not interested in my story, though I did show him my new visa and explained where I was coming from.

So I just asked then what I should pay for a supplement. My stop, Hardbrucke, is 2 stops from the airport even though it is 2 zones. He told me 80 CHF. I said, fine and he took my info. I told him, "Thanks for making my 1st day in CH such a pleasure!"

Anyway, the lesson I learned is that the people working on the train are really not empowered to make decisions. It probably makes their job easier but it is a bit strange. I just wrote a letter to the SBB and they cut the fine in half. However, they also castigated me for having the wrong ticket. I guess one must double/triple confirm that you have been correctly understood before taking possession of a ticket...

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Wow, well, I guess you were lucky -- very lucky -- to get an inspector who was understanding and not bent on punishing you for "making an easy mistake" or trying to teach you a lesson, unlike the guy I had But, again, your experience was an exception rather than the rule.

I can't speak for the other friends and acquaintances who've shared their stories, but I can only say when I had my experience, I was super apologetic and polite and told him, I'm just out of the hospital, am sick and trying to get home (I *did* look pale and sick), not thinking clearly, etc., and showed him my Zeugnis. I even asked could I please just get off at the next stop and validate it, and he said NO, it's too late!

Maybe it was because I didn't smile Couldn't manage it. I was too sick and in too much pain to smile.
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Old 17.03.2012, 20:25
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It would be fascinating to see you uphold and argument / document a single decent point instead of spouting drivel that in no way supports your case.
It isn't very edifying to hurl invective when you disagree with or dislike someone's post. I hope your family and acquaintances don't put up with your bile, which you appear to have spread throughout this forum.
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Old 17.03.2012, 20:59
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It isn't very edifying to hurl invective when you disagree with or dislike someone's post. I hope your family and acquaintances don't put up with your bile, which you appear to have spread throughout this forum.
But he was right when he pointed out that bringing up Mubarak and Gaddafi was somewhat tangential to your original complaint about ZVV

If Mubarak and Gaddafi were directly implicated in your getting ticketed, however, I regret to inform you that the Zurich branch of their dictatorships has survived the Arab Spring and that the liberation of the Schwarzfahrer from their yoke is yet to be realised.

Anyway, I think you have the answer to your original question now: Was the fine reasonable? EF's direct democracy says "most probably".

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Old 17.03.2012, 21:02
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Re: ZVV 80Fr fine - Resonable?

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If you use that bus everyday then buy a monthly, or even a yearly pass for the zones that you use.

If you want to risk it when the machine is not working, and you get a fine, then you can probably mitigate the amount you pay by appealing, but you'll probably only get 3 chances at this before it goes before a court.
This is very well put I can't understand why there are so many people on this site complaining about not having the right ticket etc when all it takes is a little bit of planning and buying your tickets in advance.

I doubt that you try to board a plane without a valid ticket so why do you think you should be able to do differently on a bus or a train
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Old 17.03.2012, 21:03
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I doubt that you try to board a plane without a valid ticket ...
If they worked on the honour system and the fine was 80 CHF, I would
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Old 17.03.2012, 21:10
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This is very well put I can't understand why there are so many people on this site complaining about not having the right ticket etc when all it takes is a little bit of planning and buying your tickets in advance.

I doubt that you try to board a plane without a valid ticket so why do you think you should be able to do differently on a bus or a train
I think the other side of the argument that broken machines are no excuses is that in the city, you're never more than a couple of minutes from the next ticket machine. In the countryside where you might not be, then you can buy it on the vehicle.

It's a minor inconvenience when it happens, just like when the till or card machine at a shop breaks down. But just like it's not a free pass to shoplift when that happens, you don't get a free pass to use a service you haven't yet paid for.
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