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Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I am looking forward to moving to Lausanne in the next 2 months for a 2-3 year period on business.

I have a 2008 Wrangler X Jeep which is very similar to the version sold in Switzerland. This will be a second vehicle for my family, we will recieve one from my company.

I paid a fraction of the cost, I picked it up used from a company in the states that was going bankrupt. 17,000 US with just 15,000 miles on it. Based on what I am seeing, the same vehicle is going to be at least 30,000 CHF.

I understand there are many hassles and cost with importing since I have owned for less than 6 month, 5 months by the time we move (ouch).

Here are my anticipated cost, but I would love to hear from someone if I am missing anything, especially if they have experience with a late model US Jeep. I would especially like any feedback on the last two items
Shipping-2000$
Snowtires and extra rims-800$
taxes and duties- my guess 2000$ ????
Conversion to be compliant- lights etc my guess 2000$????

Am I missing anything else?

Thanks in advance for any reply.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

http://www.cccv.ch/images/useful_links/cccv_charges.pdf that will help some



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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I shouldnt worry about the snowtyres and rims at first.

The headlights may only cost you a fraction of the price you suggested. Start searching for Jeep lights in Germany, poss on Ebay.
Indicator lights may need changing if they are red (i think).

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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I've been sad for the last 2 years because I left my "3rd baby" (a '98 TJ Sport) in the States when I moved here.

Do it, bring a Wrangler to Swissieland!!!

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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I brought my Wrangler from the UK. Couldn't bare to leave it behind.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

Kevlegs and Tomcat,

Thanks for the reply. In Jeep's website, the colors of the turn signals are the same. Orange or yellow looking. The Swiss model does have and extra set of rear singnals on the bumper. My thoughts were a new set of snow tires and rims would be less in the US. No biggie.

Any advice on finding insurance. I read through a ton of blogs, it appears, since mine is new, I will have just a month to get it registered.
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Very nice, Thanks
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

I did mine through Zurich Connect. You should be able to get a quote online.
Use google translate for the web page.

For the snow tyres etc, do a google search on the swiss tyre companies, if its cheaper in the US then get them there.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

Euro Wranglers also have some additional fender pieces that cover the gap between bumper and fender. Not sure if they're needed here.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

We have a 2007 JK (Swiss Specification). If you need to know any more about the conversion requirements let me know. I have already helped a friend succesfully import a JK from the US to the UK and saved him a bundle.

First question, is the Jeep modified in any way? If it has a lift kit, expect problems and be prepared to put it back to stock. If you have old stock parts that have been removed, bring them with you.

Winter wheels & tires:
If you want a second set of wheels and tires for the winter, BUY THEM IN THE USA and put enough miles on them to wear off the nobbly bits.
Make sure you only buy OEM Jeep wheels if you don't want any hassle getting permission to use them! JK-Forum is a good place to find stock 16" wheels for free or negligible cost.
Make sure the wheels are JK wheels, not Commander or Grand Cherokee.
All JKs in Switzerland are homologated (and interchangeable) for the following tire and wheel sizes.
245/75R16 111S (X, Sport) 7x16
255/75R17 111S (Rubicon) 7.5x17
255/70R18 111S (Sahara) 7.5x18
You can buy DoT winter tires in the US and legally use them here even if they don't have 'E' marks as you are personally importing a Jeep from the US. However, it is illegal in the EU for anyone to sell you non 'E' marked tires so I very much doubt that you will find a spare DoT tire here in stock if you need one.
An 'E' marked 255/70R18 Bridgestone costs about 300CHF each fitted! A DoT marked Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V1 (Unavailable in Europe) is $128
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

Snow Chains:
Can only be used on the 245/75R16 tires and they have to be the S type for clearance problems.

Bumpers:
The Euro spec JK has this horrible enourmous front bumper and a rear bumper with two red fog lamps. If the Swiss insist you must have these, British owners with 2007 models (maybe French too) are legally permitted to swap their EU version bumpers for your DoT version. From 2008, this was made illegal for all EU vehicles. If you need help finding a swap for EU bumpers send me a PM.
The fog lamps are switched on using the main stalk, an extra position after the fronts go on. If you don't have this stalk, I can find you the part number. You may need an ECU reflash to enable the foglamps. A Swiss dealer can do this.

Headlamps:
These are standard 7" same as Land Rover Defender with a plain white small marker light in the lamp separate to the H4 bulb. You should get the glass Hella versions. Polycarbonate 7" lamps are available in the EU but they are not homologated on EU Jeeps, this counts as a modification.
The EU JK has incab adjustable headlamb beam height. Again there is a switch for the console that will need unlocking in the ECU. However, I don't know if US JK models have the wiring for this function and you will also need the headlamp motors if the Swiss require your Jeep to have this function. Kevlegs got away with removing his switch and covering the hole as his YJ was originally US spec so you may not need beam control.

Marker Lights and Turn Signals:
Front Amber Turn Signals are only turn signals, they do not illuminate unless you signal to turn.
Fender mounted Turn Signal Repeaters, Marker Lights behave just like US spec. They go on with the lights and flash when you signal to turn. There is an EU version that bulges out 3/4" or so to comply with a rearward visibility regulation. You will probably have to change your flush US version but it's a simple unplug and replace operation.
Rear lamps are different, we have combined red stop and tail 21w/5w in the US plastic bulb base style. These bulbs are only available at Jeep dealers here. We have a clear lense for the turn signal, but it has a plastic base amber bulb. The backup lamp is also under the clear part of the rear lamp lense.

ICE:
Your FM or Satellite radio will not work in Europe. But the European FM radio does popup used from time to time at local dealerships or on ebay.co.uk . If you have a MyGig it may be worth trying to sell it before you come over here, I don't know if the US version comes with European maps.

TPMS:
Not mandatory (yet), but as you have it already, try and buy your winter wheels with a second complete set of TPMS sensors before you leave the USA. These will be incredibly expensive here. If you don't have TPMS sensors in your winter wheels your Jeep will show a continuous tire pressure fault.

Soft Top:
If you have one, consider buying a spare set of glazing panels particularly the rear one if you roll it up a lot. Our rear will need replacing soon because of scratching and they can crack when it gets colder than -10degC and you try bending them.

Catalytic Converter:
If you have California Spec (NY and so on) you will have no problems passing the emission test here. I really don't know if the lesser 2008 Federal Emissions Spec is more stringent than the 2008 Swiss. This is worth checking.

Can't think of anything else right now, hope this helps.
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The Swiss model does have and extra set of rear singnals on the bumper.
These are Fog Lamps. You use them when it's foggy to discourage tailgaters from rearending your Jeep! All EU vehicles have them. Jeep fit them both sides but the minimum requirement for a LHD vehicle in Switzerland is for one on the driver's side.
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Euro Wranglers also have some additional fender pieces that cover the gap between bumper and fender. Not sure if they're needed here.
It may be. It's part of the ugly EU bumper. Hopefully, the inspector wont notice.

In the UK they were a separate component on the TJ front bumper, commonly referred to as 'The Snow Plows'. They were often the first parts that went in the bin after purchase.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

MOABMAM,

Thanks for all the info and the time to put it together. You helped me decide on some rims quick. I just have the steel ones on that are sold factory that come with the P225/75-16's. You dont think I will have an issue there do you. I found another set online for next to nothing and was planning to buy and have them outfitted with snow tires.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

Also, I have some aftermarket Cattle gaurd style front and rear bumpers in the box. Should I return them to where I bought them or put them on after inspection?
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Thanks for all the info and the time to put it together. You helped me decide on some rims quick. I just have the steel ones on that are sold factory that come with the P225/75-16's. You dont think I will have an issue there do you. I found another set online for next to nothing and was planning to buy and have them outfitted with snow tires.
Great, if you've already located wheels you are saving a bundle. A single Swiss 16" Jeep steel wheel with snow tyre costs 500CHF, and you need five of them!

Make sure the wheels you buy have TPMS sensors. If not, just go to your nearest Jeep dealer and order five. Yes, you will curse the price, but believe me it will be a fraction of the cost you will pay for them over here.
Have the dealer fit the TPMS for you and arrange for them to calibrate the sensors to your Jeep. Some dealers will offer to get your new tires fitted and balanced which will save you running around or having to demount and remount tyres if one of the new TPMS sensors needs changing.

I forget the US 'X' model has tiny tyres compared to the EU Sport. When you buy winter tyres buy 245/75R16 as this is one of the three European homologated tyre sizes. If you can get 'E' marked tires, all the better. If you can only find DOT only marked tires, ensure they have the International load rating coding. EU Jeep JKs are 111S. 111 is the speed. S is the load rating.

You won't need an aggressive snow tire in Switzerland. The tire must have M+S on the sidewall and for a real winter tire the snow crystal logo should also be on it. I'm using Pirelli STRa All Seasons as that's all I could get in Europe for my 18" wheels. A Blizzak DM-V1 or Hankook i*Pike RW11 would be much better but I have no idea if these are 'E' marked in 245/75R16.
Also, don't get the tires siped on a sipe cutter, that's illegal here. And don't get studded tires either. Stud capable is OK without the studs in.
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html

Ship the Jeep over wearing the new wheels and tyres. Have your original set packed in the vehicle sea container to save space on your personal effects freight. Don't forget to make arrangements at the other end for conveyance of the old wheels and tires to your new home. If you find a set of 17" Rubicon or 18" Sahara alloys you can use them here too, they are the same the world over. Make sure when your Jeep is tested that they write the size down in your registration documents for your summer tires as these are smaller than the EU homologated sizes.

tyres=tires, I'm English but I often use American and English when I write.
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Also, I have some aftermarket Cattle gaurd style front and rear bumpers in the box. Should I return them to where I bought them or put them on after inspection?
If you are talking 'double tube' bumpers like these...



Then it's probably best to take them back to the store. The truth is, I don't know.

Kevlegs has them on his YJ and his Jeep passed the test in Zug but Kevlegs' Jeep is 15 years old and predates European certificate of conformity.

In 2008 the EU introduced legislation to outlaw bumper mods and fitting bull bars (brush guards). A friend of mine has an AEV winch bumper and an Expedition One tire carrier bumper on his 2008 US spec Rubicon. His Jeep got through the British test last year, but I doubt it would get through the Swiss test.

The guy that runs US Parts & Cars in Zug (I think his name is 'Roman'?) will be able to advise what you can get away with once the Jeep is in Switzerland. Some Kantons are more flexible than others when it comes to vehicle personalization.
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That is the type of bumper, but mine are black powdercoat. I hate to send them back, but will definately take your advice. I was also looking forward to getting some Mickey Thompson old school 18 rims, but I will scrap that idea too. Conformity... I am so bad at that word. Sort of goes against the Jeep mentalitiy. I will pick up the rims and snow tires as suggested. Just one more question. Realistically, if i bought a 2 year old Jeep Wrangler in Switzerland, How much would I be looking at. I have to admit, I did not expect this level of modification. And how much do you think it will cost to modify bumpers, etc. Is 2000$ high or low?
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That is the type of bumper, but mine are black powdercoat. I hate to send them back, but will definately take your advice.
There are Jeeps here that have all sorts of modified parts. Maybe the owners just pay the fines as part of the exclusivity. Maybe the cops in their district are just not interested. You really need to speak to a Swiss Jeep specialist in your part of Switzerland to find out what is OK, what is not OK, and what is in between. As foreigners here, my wife and I chose to play safe and not modify our Swiss Jeep in case it is ever involved in an accident.

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I was also looking forward to getting some Mickey Thompson old school 18 rims, but I will scrap that idea too.
Whereas you are currently in the best place to pick up a set of MickeyT's at a great price, it will be a lot of effort on your part trying to get the paperwork out of Jeep and Mickey Thompson to satisfy the Swiss authorities. There are aftermarket wheel shops here that will sell you the wheels you want with the paperwork you need to stay legal. Its just getting that paperwork that the Swiss supplier can charge you a premium for because they know how to work the system better than we ever will.

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Conformity... I am so bad at that word. Sort of goes against the Jeep mentalitiy.
It's a Jeep thing, the Swiss don't understand.

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I will pick up the rims and snow tires as suggested. Just one more question. Realistically, if i bought a 2 year old Jeep Wrangler in Switzerland, How much would I be looking at.
I think our Sahara was something like 55,000CHF. We could have bought two in the US for the same amount but we are leasing. We had no choice of color, or model, just what was in stock nationally at the time. There were only 200 ordered for Switzerland in 2007 and we would have to wait 10 months for the Rubicon Unlimited that we really wanted. It's actually quite funny seeing more Ferraris than JKs here. I have never seen a used JK for sale here yet. There are plenty of Grand Cherokees and Liberties but JKs are few in number.

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I have to admit, I did not expect this level of modification. And how much do you think it will cost to modify bumpers, etc. Is 2000$ high or low?
Like I said earlier, if you have to change your US bumpers for EU Uglies you are likely to find someone in the UK that will do a straight swap with you. The downside is 500+ miles between CH and UK. If your bumpers are acceptible to the Swiss you will have a nicer looking Jeep than the rest of us and you only need to add a red fog lamp to the driver side rear.


I will ask my friend in England how much he spent on lights and other parts that he needed to get through the British test. If you can do the work yourself you will at least save on the cost of labor.
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Re: Importing a US Jeep Wrangler X

MOABMAN,

UDAMAN! Thanks for all the great info, and do you ever sleep? I am in the States today, so late posts are early for me.

I will ask a couple more until you tell me to take a hike! BTW, I will happily buy you and your wife drinks or dinner once I make it over. Any jeep meets or clubs? If your are ever in the states looking for some serious offroad mudding, I have some Tennessee River Bottom land you would love.

Fog lights in the front, my vehicle is not equipped, are the mandatory? Something I can add here no problem.

Already arranged to ship back the aftermarket bumpers.

Sounds like it will be worth the hassell, as long I understand there will be a hassel. With my price point, I should still be under 25,000 CHF, which by US standards is highway robbery, but a steal in Switzerland. Also, as a 2nd vehicle, it should be ok to be tied up in the process. In about 2-3 years, do you think I would have any problems selling since it came from the US?
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