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Old 04.02.2008, 22:36
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

The car driving license (category B) still entitles you to drive a 30 km/h motorbike (cat. M).

Category A1/50 ccm is only relevant for drivers who are 16 or 17 years old, adults can directly apply for A1/125 ccm (which is the same test procedure, the test bike can even have less than 50 ccm if you wish) or for category A Limited (which is a bit more difficult).

You can click together every thinkable combination of age and licenses you already own on this German, neat website and it will show you for which exams you qualify.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Hi.
I'm 24 and I'm thinking of getting a motorcycle license.
I've read that if you are over 25 years old you can ride any bike. This that mean you don't need to go through less powerful bikes in order to ride, lets say a 650 cc?
Also, I want to know whats the most powerful ride I could have if I am under 25. By the way I already have a car driving license so I guess theory examination is not required right?

Thanks for your help and congratulation for this excellent forum!
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Old 18.02.2008, 21:44
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Hi.
I'm 24 and I'm thinking of getting a motorcycle license.
I've read that if you are over 25 years old you can ride any bike. This that mean you don't need to go through less powerful bikes in order to ride, lets say a 650 cc?
Also, I want to know whats the most powerful ride I could have if I am under 25. By the way I already have a car driving license so I guess theory examination is not required right?

Thanks for your help and congratulation for this excellent forum!
Under 25, the most powerful bike you can ride is 25kW (33bhp), over 25 you can ride unrestricted bikes if you like. (I ride an SV650 on an L plate at the moment)
Yes, the theory exam is not required, but you are still required to go through 12 hours mandatory training within the first 4 months of getting the licence.. If you do so, your licence is extended by 12 months, within which you must take the driving exam.
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Re: Motorcycle experience

quote=woodo;107254]I wanted a Motorbike, and learnt that with a car driving licence one can leaglly drive a Motorbike (Toeff) upto 50cc.

Actually, this does not appear to be the case anymore. An 18 year old Swiss person recently passed their driving test here (Kanton Aargau) and the Kategorie F is not on the back of the licence. It is on mine which means I can drive up to a 49cc motorbike with a yellow plate, which means the speed is limited. When we inquired we were told they don't grant this anymore. So how does one with a new licence go about getting this category? Is the only solution to get apply for the A1? What if you have no interest in riding the bigger bike?[/quote]

If you have a full car licence then you need 8 hours officially approved training and you can get a 125cc licence (there's a max KW restriction as well). No test.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Hi I've been following this thread and I'm still a little confused. I'm planning to get a 200cc Vespa Gt. So from what I what I read I think I would need to apply for the A unlimited license. Yet this Vespa is only rated at 15 KW, so if I took the test on this I would be limited to under 35 KW for two years? After those two years I could now ride any size or no?

Is the test that difficult? I have been riding for years, I just dont have a license.

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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

as you're over 25, I would suggest that you try to do the test on a bike that will give you an A licence; if you do the test on the Vespa, you can only get a restricted licence.
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Hi I've been following this thread and I'm still a little confused. I'm planning to get a 200cc Vespa Gt. So from what I what I read I think I would need to apply for the A unlimited license. Yet this Vespa is only rated at 15 KW, so if I took the test on this I would be limited to under 35 KW for two years? After those two years I could now ride any size or no?

Is the test that difficult? I have been riding for years, I just dont have a license.

Thankyou!
Yes, the test is difficult, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be worth it! Riding for years doesn't mean you'll pass, I doubt I'd pass my car test now, I've too many bad habits, however the 12 hours instruction was very helpful.

As far as taking the restricted or unrestricted goes.. If you're certain that for the next 2 years you'll only want to ride a bike less than 25kW, take the test on a bike you're familiar with, you'll find it easier.. Then after 2 years, yes you will be allowed to get a bigger bike.. You can't get the unrestricted licence unless you're over 25 I think anyhow..

Anyway, the best person to ask is your riding instructor.. I did the first 8 hours of my mandatory 12 on a 125, and then flipped over to a 650 52kW for the final 4 hours.. It's not important what you take your mandatory training on, just what you take the test on.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Thanks for the info. And what happens if you fail the test? You can take it again? Or your banned for awhile? You would have to do the whole 12 hours again? The vespa is like riding a bicycle compared to the Harley Fatboy which I cant afford now anyway.
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Old 09.03.2008, 20:53
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

You get to take it again.. According to my test application (I sent it off last week) you get 4 tries.. You have a year to get it in.. Do you have any kind of driving licence? If not, you need to take the theory test first.

I wouldn't take the test on anything as awkward as a Harley.. They're generally too long and have really s**t turning circles and are really poor at low revs and difficult to balance and have terrible stopping distances. They're designed for American roads.. Long, wide with no bends! In fact I would say you'd probably really miss out on a lot of fun if you buy into one of those things without ever giving a decent bike a try.. They're really heavy and underpowered.. I can't imagine how much of a pain it would be trying to get over the Focca pass in one.. Not for me, at least not while I'm in Switzerland.

Anyhow for your test..

First they check to see if you've got the proper kit.. Helmet, jacket, gloves, boots. (Even if you only plan to ride your Vespa in the height of summer at low speeds in safe places, you still need to wear the right gear for the test.

Then they check your bike is fit for purpose.. Basically they kick the tyres and check the chain and stuff,

Then the check that the bike is suitable for you.. Too small, too big, sense of balance, attention to the road, position on the bike, can't ride it for some reason (missing leg, something like that..)

If you pass this bit, you can then take the first part of the test proper, if you don't (if you forget your gloves or something) then you fail. (It's that simple!)

The test part one consists of the following: A slalom, balance on a wooden board, 2 figure 8's, passage in a tight lane, sharp turn and take a 10m straight in more than 10secs. Then you've got to do an emergency stop from 50kmph without skidding.. This is all before they'll let you on the road for the road test.. On a vespa that should be pretty easy, on a Harley, it's downright impossible, I'm finding it hard enough on an Suzi SV650! If you fail it, you don't get to do the second part.

Then, if you finish all that without making a boo-boo, they let you on the road for the second part of the test.. Probably including a road where you need to give way to the right, so be careful..

If you pass that then you've passed.. Well done.. The last thing it says on my sheet here is that the SCN wishes you every success in obtaining your bike permit.. How nice of them!

Good luck.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

thankyou, now i know what i'm getting into. i had an 1100 suzuki in the states, i'm kinda over going fast anymore. i'd probably loose my license here if i had that bike again.
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Old 09.03.2008, 22:33
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thankyou, now i know what i'm getting into. i had an 1100 suzuki in the states, i'm kinda over going fast anymore. i'd probably loose my license here if i had that bike again.
Have you got an American bike licence? You might be able to transfer that over here without having to retake any tests..

My driving instructor tells me that around about 1/3rd of his new bikers lose their licences within the first year.. I think the average is to lose it for 3 months..
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

No, in New York you could just get the motorcycle permit every year for like $20, then ride all summer with no license. If you got stopped you just had to say your friend who had a license was around here somewhere, supposedly within a quarter mile. It was too much trouble to get the license. Although now that I'm here it would have been a hell of alot easier. I do have a car license which I switched over to a Swiss one. Anyway the 12 hour courses will do me some good, I probably have alot of bad habits that need pointing out.
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Old 11.03.2008, 09:10
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

If you fail the test 3 times, you get to see a phsychologist. How pleasant...

There are no real loopholes as you describe, floyd. You'll just have to pass the test, I'm afraid
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Bit of a shame you didn't take the test in the States really.. The Swiss licence is notoriously hard to get in comparison to other countries.

I've just seen the English rules which apparently consists of being able to do an emergency stop, putting the bike on its stand and then taking it off again, pushing the bike around in a U turn, riding the bike in a U turn, riding the bike in slow traffic and carrying a passenger.. It's really rather frightening how simple that sounds.. I've been doing all of that every day I ride my bike, my Mrs likes to sit on the back and wiggle her bum at the bikers behind! She's don that ever since one guy told her how nice her bum looked in leather.. Unfortunately I never get to see

Anyhow, like Lob said.. No short cuts, you're going to have to get the 12 hours in, then practice and take the test.. you've got 16 months from the date you apply.. 4 months to get the 12 hours in, which then extends your learner licence by a further 12 months.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Jon, it's interesting to see that you think the Swiss test is hard. I did A1 and A before the rule changes and they were not that bad.

A1 I was with a chap who was speeding all the time in all 50 zones - he passed.
A I was with a chap who powered through an amber light with the examiner on the back - he passed (but got a bollocking about it)

Many people have issues with the maneovres; practice and keep your head up. And you'll find that the examiner on the back of the big bike will do what your wife does (and not because he has a nice bum - he's checking your stability) during the test.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Not hard neccesarily a bit of practice for the preroad stuff is needed though, certainly harder than the English one... I'm a pretty competent car driver, and the test is designed for all ages, so I've already got road sense, it's the newbies to the road that'll probably find it a pain.

The manouvers before going on road are a bit awkward.. I kept putting my foot down on the figure 8 until I discovered that it was easier to do if you are going slightly faste than tick over, especially in a V twin, which aren't as smooth as a four cylinder. Bit of practice over the next few weekends and I should be all set for the test next month.

I'm planning to ride back to blighty in April because I need to spend a couple of weeks or more there and I'd quite like to have some transport while I'm there.. More to the point, I've plenty of thermals and waterproofs, so I'm looking forward to the ride there as well.. It should be quite fun doing that over the course of a weekend avoiding motorways and trying not to get caught speeding by "Le Flick".
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Dear All,

I am about to move to Switzerland, to Nyon, VD from Hungary for a couple of years and I would need some guidance from yourselves in this topic.

I have a B licence in Hungary - which I may use to 50 cc mopeds as well.

I understand that basically the first thing to do would be to register it in CH, to get a swiss licence for the same 'coverage'.

How do I go further to get an unlimited A licence?

An other important question would be the estimated cost of getting the unlimited A and the timeframe - provided that the exams, etc are passed in the first round... :-)

Thanks so much for your inputs - I will of course read through all earlier posts, but you comments would be much appreciated...

Thanks

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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Oh, forgot to say that I am 31.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Hi bman

First, read this thread and the others on bike licences, there's plenty of informtion on this site that should answer your questions, but to be honest, I'm not going to repeat myself AGAIN because you don't want to spend a few minutes reading.. When you've read this thread, if you still have some questions then by all means post them and I'll do my best to answer.. Try to be exact with your questions. I won't answer questions that have already been answered by me and others here.
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Re: Motorbike/Motorcycle: Learning/Taking the test?

Hi and thanks you are right, I think I went through that.

So I will have my car licence transferred to CH. Wheer I am lost is:

- Than I apply for the A1, pass the theory, practice and instructor course to get an A1 licence, and then able to go on the road with an L plate. within 12 months I can go for an unlimited A with a test?

or

Go and apply directly for an unlimited A license (with more lessons as I understand), do the practice already as a starter on a bigger bike, pass the test, and get the license and ride?

Sorry to say, but in such a thread it is sometimes harder to put together the pieces and steps in a 100% clear order, which you may understand.

Finally, noone talks about prices in total, including the practice lessons, and those with the insteructors - I just wish to have some estimated total number from start to finish.

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