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bringing my USA BMW to CH?

Has anyone done this recently (more or less recently)? We are contemplating bringing our car (2008 model 3 Series) with us when moving from California to Switzerland in the near future. If anyone wants to share their experience - it would be greatly appreciated. What do we need to pay attention to? Do we need a Certificate of Conformity (I have heard it's almost impossible to obtain that from BMW in CH)? What exactly did you have to change (front lights, indicators etc.)? Any lasting problems (Radio/GPS) or were you able to have the electronics reprogrammed for CH? Approx. how much did it cost to make those changes? Any trouble with insurance companies due to the fact that it is a foreign car? Thanks.
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

This question has come up a few times over the years. Here's some of the results I found when doing a search:

Importing BMW X5 35D from US to Switzerland

Buy new car in US or buy local?

Auto Insurance on imported car...

Car import - where and how do they know about 6 month ownership?

[Import] Bring car to Switzerland?

Volvo S60 import from USA

How I imported my car from the UK (yes, it is about a UK car, but it will give you some ideas...US cars are a bit different, but you'll see that in other threads)

Importing car from US to Switzerland - anyone has Honda Pilot?

Fees/taxes about car import from US

car import from USA

Car imports: what did you have to change?

Importing Car from US

Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

Thanks evilshell, I checked the treads. Especially useful are the folks' experience who actually brought a car with them. There are a lot of "theorists'" postings regarding importing cars. I am still trying to find out if anyone with USA beemers has been able to have their cars reprogrammed in order to make the radio/GPS work properly. There is a company (http://www.car-coding.de/index.html) in Germany that claims they can do this (at least for Germany). I haven't been able to get in touch with them and I am wondering if ANYBODY in CH can do this. Not expecting any help from BMW CH; I have already been in touch with them and they give me the "buy one here" attitude of course even though this will be a "Hausrat" import and not a gray market type of import.
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Thanks evilshell, I checked the treads. Especially useful are the folks' experience who actually brought a car with them. There are a lot of "theorists'" postings regarding importing cars. I am still trying to find out if anyone with USA beemers has been able to have their cars reprogrammed in order to make the radio/GPS work properly. There is a company (http://www.car-coding.de/index.html) in Germany that claims they can do this (at least for Germany). I haven't been able to get in touch with them and I am wondering if ANYBODY in CH can do this. Not expecting any help from BMW CH; I have already been in touch with them and they give me the "buy one here" attitude of course even though this will be a "Hausrat" import and not a gray market type of import.
I know that the USA FM radio is kind of one wave out compared to Europe.
The GPS would simply be a matter of loading the Europe map software.

The parts department of a UK BMW dealership www.bmw.co.uk would be your best bet to find out as they speak the language. Birmingham dealership might be a good one to telephone; London Park Lane are stuck up their ar$e.
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Thanks evilshell, I checked the treads. Especially useful are the folks' experience who actually brought a car with them. There are a lot of "theorists'" postings regarding importing cars. I am still trying to find out if anyone with USA beemers has been able to have their cars reprogrammed in order to make the radio/GPS work properly. There is a company (http://www.car-coding.de/index.html) in Germany that claims they can do this (at least for Germany). I haven't been able to get in touch with them and I am wondering if ANYBODY in CH can do this. Not expecting any help from BMW CH; I have already been in touch with them and they give me the "buy one here" attitude of course even though this will be a "Hausrat" import and not a gray market type of import.
Re Radio & Nav (I have done a lot of reprogramming BMW systems)

For your car:
Nav:
If you have the DVD-based map, then you can insert a new Europe DVD and the nav will work
If you have the harddrive based map, then you must purchase the map at BMW, because it needs to be downloaded onto the harddrive and you must buy a decryption key. Only available from a dealer at dealer prices!!

Radio:
The region coding of the radio is intrinsically linked to the vehicle region coding - in your case USA.
Changing the region coding was never foreseen by BMW and thus is not officially supported. Doesn't mean it cannot be done, but must be done by clever car "hackers" with the right tools.
After all, it is just a "software" setting :-) (but really hard to change - it has lots of flow-on effects in the whole vehicle)

Be aware that when changing region coding, all software updates available may possible no longer work, as the region coding is a core parameter for the vehicle.

I'd suggest you use the following steps:
1. Ensure the vehicle has the latest version software loaded BEFORE you change anything else. Note that you may not get new versions unless you explicitly ask the dealer to do this job!

2. Drive to Munich and visit Car Coding.de
I've looked at his website and based on my own personal experience doing this sort of work, this guy sounds like he knowns what he is doing and has good experience.
(I'm NOT going to offer to do it myself, because my experience is with the older generation BMW vehicles, and I do not have the tools for the newer cars)

MAKE SURE you know what system you have before you drive to Munich... do you have MASK, CCC or CIC?
BE AWARE that a new CCC or CIC system can cost a few thousand Euros (they are highly complex devices) and ensure you talk to car-coding.de about whether he can recode 2nd hand items, otherwise you may have to purchase new (which gets a bit tricky...)

Factor in the effort and costs when considering bringing the USA car to Europe.

But it can be done...
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

Thanks FriendlyKiwi, that was very informative. One more question - what are these MASK, CCC, CIC systems and how would I figure out which of those are in my car?
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

Don't want to rain on your parade, and I have no problem with shipping vehicles (I brought my motorcycle across with me from Canada).

But, I have to ask: What would possess you to want to go through the hassle and expense for this???

you do realize that there are different standards of quality for different regions right? A BMW produced for the USA or Canada markets is not even close to equal to a BMW destined for Europe... Much like Honda and Nissan for Japan, the exports are considerably lower quality for the most part.

Just sell yours in the states, and buy one on this side of the water.
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Thanks FriendlyKiwi, that was very informative. One more question - what are these MASK, CCC, CIC systems and how would I figure out which of those are in my car?
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mask, ccc and cic all all different types of bmw nav and audio systems

refer to vehicle manual, parts list, or simply google your vehicle details for more info
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

FriendlyKiwi already gave you great info, but I'll add my two cents. Although the frequency bands can vary by country, a U.S. FM receiver will work fine in Europe. I brought my 3 series from the U.S. two years ago, I have driven it in four countries here and the radio works fine not that I use it much.
So basically, all you need to do is buy the new NAV maps and you'll be fine.

As an aside, you'll often hear that the European Bimmers are different from the U.S. models. This is somewhat true. From a quality standpoint, there is no difference and in at least one way ours are much better... namely the fantastic U.S. BMW warranty. The warranty here is only two years compared to the five that my car had. This was an issue at the dealer when I had a problem because, unbeknown to me at the time, exporting your U.S. car negates the warranty. Thus your 2008 is already out of warranty locally and they won't honor it here. Also, U.S. models have governors in the electronic ignition so it will have a lower top speed than local models but really, even on the German autobahn, your opportunities to use that kind of speed are extremely limited and this is not an issue at all in my opinion. Finally, and this is important, when registering your car here it has to go through a rigorous inspection... you won't believe it until you see it... and the inspector will have all manner of issues with things like the location of the engine number being in a different place, the color of your turn signal lenses and so on. In the end, after a bunch of grief, I only had to have my headlights adjusted as our standard is different than the local one.

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Don't most European cars sold in the USA have higher and softer suspension? Most European BMWs would catch the underside of the car just turning into the average US MacDonald's...
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FriendlyKiwi already gave you great info, but I'll add my two cents. Although the frequency bands can vary by country, a U.S. FM receiver will work fine in Europe. I brought my 3 series from the U.S. two years ago, I have driven it in four countries here and the radio works fine not that I use it much.
So basically, all you need to do is buy the new NAV maps and you'll be fine.
NO!

BMW USA radios tune in 200kHz increments, as is standard in the USA
They stop on odd numbered radio stations, ie 101.1, 101.3, 101.5 etc

Here in Zurich this means you cannot tune to Radio 24 on 102.8 and 102.0

If you are in a town where by luck the radio is on an odd numbered channel eg 101.1, then you can receive it. But certainly you will have great dificulty receiving FM radio in Switzerland especially when the RDS tries to automatically change frequencies to those that cannot be received. So driving around and listening to DRS3 will be really frustrating.

I have a friend who had a USA BMW that wasn't reprogrammed to ECE.
He got so frustrated with the radio, and the other USA differences, eventually he sold the car and bought a ECE model.
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BMW USA radios tune in 200kHz increments, as is standard in the USA
They stop on odd numbered radio stations, ie 101.1, 101.3, 101.5 etc
Yes, I'm aware of that subtle technical difference. But at the same time the vast quantity of low power local FM stations here means that you are constantly going in and out of broadcast ranges anyway while on the autobahn and any local station will "bleed" over the small difference.

I can tell you from empirical evidence that all of my U.S. digital receivers work fine here and that includes the one in my car.
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

You might ask the administrative officer of the US Mission to Geneva (or at the Embassy in Bern, but it's smaller) what the experience of American FSOs assigned to Switzerland has been. It's true that they are relieved of certain requirements (just as foreign diplomats can import for the duration of their stay -- just as foreign tourists can -- unapproved and uncertified models of cars to the USA).

But the Mission is likely to have standard advice they give out on the subject, and perhaps the names of garages that undertake conversion work.

When I was assigned to Geneva in the early 1990s I didn't bother registering my car locally. I took advantage of my status to keep a UK-registered car, and the only downside was I got only temporary passes for tax-free petrol.
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Yes, I'm aware of that subtle technical difference. But at the same time the vast quantity of low power local FM stations here means that you are constantly going in and out of broadcast ranges anyway while on the autobahn and any local station will "bleed" over the small difference.
Which is why the RDS AF function keeps you on the correct frequency for your area, and that only functions flawlessly when you can receive all frequencies without any restriction.

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I can tell you from empirical evidence that all of my U.S. digital receivers work fine here and that includes the one in my car.
Maybe your US digital receiver does, but the BMW car radio does not

I have worked on many many BMWs specifically converting them from one market to the other. I know the differences in the radios, the nav systems, and the TV systems.

I am familiar with the global specifications and the differences between the four key world market regions, being Japan, Oceania, Europe and USA. I am a qualified electronics engineer with 20 years experience, and I know the differences. I've even sat down and retuned radios by altering the PLL.

The BMW USA radios - and in all BMW cars for at least the last 15 years - are set for tuning in 200kHz steps, and that simply does not work in Europe.

Whilst older generation BMWs could be changed from region-USA to region-Europe at the touch of a button, the newer generation cars have the radio region linking to the vehicle region, and thus much harder to change

Maybe you have experience with non-BMW radios that tune in 100kHz steps, and in that case the issue does not arise (ignoring RDS differences and de-emphasis differences)
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Which is why the RDS AF function keeps you on the correct frequency for your area, and that only functions flawlessly when you can receive all frequencies without any restriction.



Maybe your US digital receiver does, but the BMW car radio does not

I have worked on many many BMWs specifically converting them from one market to the other. I know the differences in the radios, the nav systems, and the TV systems.

I am familiar with the global specifications and the differences between the four key world market regions, being Japan, Oceania, Europe and USA. I am a qualified electronics engineer with 20 years experience, and I know the differences. I've even sat down and retuned radios by altering the PLL.

The BMW USA radios - and in all BMW cars for at least the last 15 years - are set for tuning in 200kHz steps, and that simply does not work in Europe.

Whilst older generation BMWs could be changed from region-USA to region-Europe at the touch of a button, the newer generation cars have the radio region linking to the vehicle region, and thus much harder to change

Maybe you have experience with non-BMW radios that tune in 100kHz steps, and in that case the issue does not arise (ignoring RDS differences and de-emphasis differences)
You could have said that the frequency difference may work but would work better with an ECE conversion and I would have conceded that it may well be... BUT that it still works adequately as is.

The fact that you are telling me that the radio in my own car doesn't work makes me wonder. If you are indeed correct then I guess I only imagine that I listen to it every time I drive the car that I bought and imported here 2 1/2 years ago. I guess I've been deluded all this time... When will I learn... ?
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NO!

BMW USA radios tune in 200kHz increments, as is standard in the USA
They stop on odd numbered radio stations, ie 101.1, 101.3, 101.5 etc

Here in Zurich this means you cannot tune to Radio 24 on 102.8 and 102.0

If you are in a town where by luck the radio is on an odd numbered channel eg 101.1, then you can receive it. But certainly you will have great dificulty receiving FM radio in Switzerland especially when the RDS tries to automatically change frequencies to those that cannot be received. So driving around and listening to DRS3 will be really frustrating.

I have a friend who had a USA BMW that wasn't reprogrammed to ECE.
He got so frustrated with the radio, and the other USA differences, eventually he sold the car and bought a ECE model.
talking about me?
radio was indeed a good reason why I got rid off my 6er. Yes i had 10's og gigs of songs on my ipod nicely integrated into Idrive but that and lack of TMC and traffic radio updates were a factor in downgrade to ECE A4. as far as comments about quality it is total BS. In fact I would add that my car with equipment I had was a rarity. Bring the bimmer. You will enjoy it and take advantage of Kiwi's connections. The guy knows his stuff. My next ride will definitely come from US so let's hope USD tanks in 2-3 years from now.
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Re: bringing my USA BMW to CH?

hey zuifmufi,

I'm also bringing my Audi S4 from Cali to Switz. There are a few things to consider and this forum is full of info, but it is not complete.

Firstly is the radio/navi. At least for my Audi, this is already "cracked" by several audi navi experts between the UK/EU and US. There is at least a specific audi navi forum that helps with such software changes between EU and US. With regards traffic monitoring and the use of radio (satellite or FM) frankly I'm not too concerned. In theory audi navi with the EU software will work no probs, but I use the CD/SDcards for my listening pleasure. In any case most local radio in switzerland is pretty bad and I don't understand them anyway, so I'm not concerned.

The second big thing is whether you will have to make any changes to your car to comply with swiss regs. Someone mentioned that it was easier to sell it in the US and buy one local. Well yes and no. It may be easier to sell in the US, but economically it is totally worth bringing my car in. Considering cost of rego and transport compared to the differences in values. Even my car being 3 yrs old now is still worth 10-20kCHF more than what I would get in the US!

Also, these days there are less significant manufacturing differences for US destined cars and EU market cars. The big things to note are headlights (xenons need washers), exhaust fumes, speedo (km/h shown) and indicators (orange turn signals) and something to do with the wheels/tires. Additionally, I found a few local contacts that do this sort of thing regularly and were able to analyse my car build (the exact details of what was put on my car) to determine if it would require significant homologation to swiss standards. Thankfully they believe it won't need to change much based on the car's setup.

Someone mentioned that the US suspension is different on some models. This is true in some cases and typically the US suspension is higher and softer. But my understanding is that this is not of great concern to the swiss authorities if it is higher and softer. I have aftermarket suspension, which may require swapping back to OEM, getting rego and then putting it back on again, but hopefully not.

With regards importation these are the basic procedures:
1. swiss import customs clearance (I believe you get this when you either drive across the border or when it is unloaded from the container)
2. necessary modifications to meet swiss regulations
3. registration of your car in switzerland (requires gas emissions test, etc)

The import also depends on if you are bringing it as part of your household goods (under form 18.44) and also that you own it for more than 6 months. That way you don't pay customs duties or taxes.

Documents required for swiss import customs clearance:
- original form 18.44
- copy of passport
- copy of lease or property title to place of residence in switzerland
- copy of residence permit
- copy of attestation of residence from the local gemeinde
- confirmation of employment from employer
- copy of foreign title showing a date older than 6 months.

you will then be issued form 13.20A and 18.44 will be stamped. These are neede for starting the registration process.

Then you need to go through the process of making any changes to get it registered.

It's not an easy process, and it is somewhat still vague to me, also since I have not been through the process yet. So the above is only what I have learned and may or may not be accurate. The process may also be slightly different depending on the Canton.

With regards a conformity document. I still haven't been able to track one down. No one really knows. Audi of America doesn't have one. The exporters don't have one. My next stop is the DMV to try and get a copy of the original first registration certificate.

It's a process. It's not fun. But I can't wait to have my car here!

Good luck and if you need help the forum is mostly helpful and I will try where I can.
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the letter of conformity you get from audi switzerland, the importer in bern... dont have the number here with me sry, but let me know if you have trouble finding it i can look it up. for a deal of 750 francs they spend a few minutes looking at the car and writing a letter that it conformes to swiss standards... i did this for my q7 which was new and owned less than 6months, or is it 1 year i cant remember.. for my a4 i did not need this as i owned it for the minimum period so I think for that reason you don't need that document, surprised on your s4 you would need it if you have owned it for 3 years.
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