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Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

Hello ...

I'm trying to find information about getting a 1968 VW Karmann Ghia inspected and registered in Switzerland.
  • Is there such a thing as a "Classic Car Registration" in Switzerland?
  • If so, then how does it differ from the "normal" registration?
  • Are there certain things, like emission control, that ARE NOT required for a "Classic Car"? (I would think a 40 year-old car might have a difficult time passing a "normal" emission test ... because these old cars don't even have any emission controls on them.)
  • I've also heard (rumor?) that the Swiss Technical Inspectors require that there is no trace of oil (dripping) from the engine. Is this true? I've NEVER seen an old VW air-cooled engine that does not consume, or drip oil. Is this is the case, then all old VWs would need a NEW engine - this seems unlikely to me, even for Switzerland

Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide.
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Old 29.03.2010, 12:12
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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

I can answer the oil bit.

My UK '96 Wrangler passed last year and a smaal oil drip was found and ignored as it wasnt too bad.
Best get the underside and engine bay cleaned beforehand though.
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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

Hi Mate

I got my 1935 Velocette through the tests on a Classic Permit. Piece of cake, the most tricky part was inserting a Kmh disk into the speedometer to cover the mph intervals.
I believe that the law currently classifies a vehicle as vintage if it is pre-1975. This means that it is subject to much lower braking / emissions etc. tests.
My best advice would be to get yourself membership of the local Classic Car Club (there will be one, even better if it is a club specifically for fans of your particular marque). These clubs are great resources, and the Swiss people there will bend over backwards to support you in your application. They usually have websites, and meet monthly in a local bar / restaurant. My local club, the Züri-Oberlander Oltimer Verein also organises loads of weekend events / rides out etc.

They can however be very serious about oil drips. I believe that my Velocette is the only one in the world that does not leak oil. I'm surprised it still works, and ride around in terror that I've run out of oil. My mechanic, who took the bike to the Inspection, spend weeks working on the engine with a tube of liquid gasket sealant. Upon arriving at the test centre, he was basically accused of presenting a 'home-build' bike, as they'd never seen the like before.

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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

A classic car or bike has to be at least 30 years old. The vehicle has to be in near original and 'collection-worthy' condition. No rust bladders and dripping oil.
Mileage is limited to 3000 km per year. Big advantage of a classic license plate: you can have any number of classic cars on that one license and insurance.

Check with the MotDep (Strassenverkehrsamt): http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/ds/st...k_veteran.html
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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

If I remember rightly, vehicles that get 'Classic' status only require testing every 6 years, and not every three which is the norm...

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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

OK, thanks for the link to Zurich's classic car registration details. I assume Geneva has something similar, although I'm unable to find anything online. Regardless, it won't help me in this case because I do plan to drive my 40-year old VW more than only a 3,000km per year. Plus, I doubt mine will be in near-original-perfect condition.

My REAL questions concerns the car's age. If I want to register is using the normal process, then is a 40 year-old car held to the same standard as a brand new car? What exactly are the specifications that it must meet, in terms of noise, emissions, braking system, etc? Does it vary from car to car?

When I imported my motorcycle from France to Switzerland it seemed to me that the inspectors verified that the sound and emission was "in line" with what the certificate of origin stated. This document is also called the certificate of homologation. I got it from Honda Suisse and basically it lists the motorcycles "specifications" (weight, noise, emissions, etc). I think the inspectors just made sure it still does what it was designed to do (11 years ago) ... which is probably LESS than what a brand new one can do (in terms of noise, emissions, etc).

So, back to a 40 year old VW ... I already know the inspectors won't pass it if it is leaking oil (I was told by one guy to pressure wash the underside of the car before going to inspection) or if it has rust on it.

Does anyone have the details (a link?) of what is really needed to pass inspection? ... or is it just the case of getting the right inspector and how "clean" the car appears during the 10 minutes it takes for the inspection?
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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

You could give these guys a call...

http://www.karmann-ghia.ch/

Good luck

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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

The car has to comply with the standards and rules used at the models first registration. You should have prove of the car's first registration (anywhere) and the EU 'Certificate of Conformity' in order to avoid the model's 'type approval' (Typenprüfung).

Here an excerpt in German:
Voraussetzungen für die Zulassung in der Schweiz
Damit ein Fahrzeug zugelassen werden kann, muss es grundsätzlich die schweizerischen Vorschriften erfüllen, die zum Zeitpunkt der Einfuhr oder der Herstellung in der Schweiz galten. Für Fahrzeuge, welche bereits im Ausland in Verkehr standen, können diejenigen schweizerischen Vorschriften angewendet werden, die zum Zeitpunkt ihrer ersten Inverkehrsetzung Gültigkeit hatten. In diesen Fällen ist das Datum der ersten Inverkehrsetzung (nicht Herstellungs- oder Verkaufsdatum) nachzuweisen (z.B. durch ausländische Zulassungspapiere oder die "registration card" für Fahrzeuge aus den USA). Ausgenommen sind Fahrzeuge, die belegbar älter als 30 Jahre sind. Anlässlich der Zulassungsprüfung ist die Einhaltung der massgeblichen Vorschriften durch die Vorlage entsprechender Dokumente zu belegen.

Bei abgeänderten Fahrzeugen (Leistungssteigerung, Tieferlegung, typenfremde Felgen usw.) sind zusätzlich die entsprechenden Garantien, Eignungserklärungen und Prüfberichte zur Fahrzeugprüfung mitzubringen.

Here the link for the Geneva MotDep: http://www.ge.ch/san/visites-techniq...tes_techniques
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Re: Swiss Technical Inspection & Registration for a "Classic Car"

[QUOTE=rpf;757717]The car has to comply with the standards and rules used at the models first registration. You should have prove of the car's first registration (anywhere) and the EU 'Certificate of Conformity' in order to avoid the model's 'type approval' (Typenprüfung).

Here an excerpt in German:
Voraussetzungen für die Zulassung in der Schweiz
Damit ein Fahrzeug zugelassen werden kann, muss es grundsätzlich die schweizerischen Vorschriften erfüllen, die zum Zeitpunkt der Einfuhr oder der Herstellung in der Schweiz galten. Für Fahrzeuge, welche bereits im Ausland in Verkehr standen, können diejenigen schweizerischen Vorschriften angewendet werden, die zum Zeitpunkt ihrer ersten Inverkehrsetzung Gültigkeit hatten. In diesen Fällen ist das Datum der ersten Inverkehrsetzung (nicht Herstellungs- oder Verkaufsdatum) nachzuweisen (z.B. durch ausländische Zulassungspapiere oder die "registration card" für Fahrzeuge aus den USA). Ausgenommen sind Fahrzeuge, die belegbar älter als 30 Jahre sind. Anlässlich der Zulassungsprüfung ist die Einhaltung der massgeblichen Vorschriften durch die Vorlage entsprechender Dokumente zu belegen.

Bei abgeänderten Fahrzeugen (Leistungssteigerung, Tieferlegung, typenfremde Felgen usw.) sind zusätzlich die entsprechenden Garantien, Eignungserklärungen und Prüfberichte zur Fahrzeugprüfung mitzubringen.

Google Translation:
Requirements for approval in Switzerland
In order for a vehicle may be authorized, it shall meet in principle, the Swiss regulations in force at the time of importation or manufacture in Switzerland. For vehicles that were already abroad in traffic, can those Swiss regulations are applied at the time had their first registration validity. In these cases, the date of first matriculation (not manufacture or sale date) to prove (eg through foreign registration papers or the "registration card" for vehicles from the U.S.). Excluded are vehicles that can accommodate more than 30 years.
On the occasion of the entrance examination is with the applicable requirements by producing the appropriate documents to prove.

In the amended vehicles (performance, lowering typenfremde rims, etc.), the corresponding guarantees suitability statements and audit reports are to be brought to the vehicle inspection.


Did you know that the Swiss motoring club TCS give free advice to members? Did you also know that you can get it tested by the TCS? I really think you should ask for advice there before you start bringing the VW here.
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