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Old 09.04.2010, 14:54
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You pay this insurance for them to represent you...I'd change insurers.

I turned out of a drive way left over an unbroken line in St. Gallen back in 2006...I was stopped by the local (ge)STAPO. I offered no excuse, other than to say it was late at night and there was no danger or traffic when I did this. The police officer agreed and promised to include the circumstances in the summons.

About 1 month later I received a court determined fine of 150chf and 200chf court costs...or vica versa...can't remember which one it was.

It is bizarre how many simple breaches have no fixed penalty here..even overtaking on the right. A workmate of mine was recently caught for this on the Autobahn in Winterthur...no accident, no other offences, yet he still received a letter from the SVA to hand in his licence!!!
Rechtsschutzversicherung really fights for you if / when you are involved in an accident. Traffic violations (specially mine which I admit I was wrong) can't be won easily.
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you decided to do a U-turn when the only other car in sight was a Police car?
not exactly, there were no cars in sight, but then just when I did the turn the police car mysteriousy appeared from around the corner - Murphy's law I guess.

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Usually people from the police in switzerland are very easy going. Not comparable with other countries. You as an foreigner should know you get away with such a trifle easy. If stopped, tell them you did not know about you did wrong and beeing stressed of relocating to marocco the next month.

The fine will be 40.- in this case. It is a "Ordnungsbusse" and not to be handled by a judge. If you have disobeyed other road signs then it is a 100.- fine, stil an "Ordnungsbusse".

Presenting someones property with a turd or in public will cost 40.-

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_031/app1.html
not sure if I understand you corretly, it sounds from others' and my experience that this offense does not get an "Ordnungsbusse", but are you saying that if I did not know what I was doing wrong then they might have treated it differently? i.e. an example where ignorance could help

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Old 09.04.2010, 21:15
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

A variation on this theme:

As you know, you can park on in both directions on the other side of the road in Switzerland. And depending on where you live, you are just happy to find any parking space no matter where it is.

HOWEVER, the sold white line rule is still in effect. If you are parked on the opposite side of the road (and you crossed a sold line to get there), the police will leave a very nice fine on the car. They don't have to see you crossing the line!

The solid white lines are often near cross-walks.
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Old 15.04.2010, 14:40
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They're not: a solid white line in the centre of the road or edge of lanes means you don't cross it, unless there is a broken white line before it. This is Europe wide. (You can overtake, as long as you neither cross or exceed the speed limit and do it safely.)
Yes, but in 100% swiss people cross the solid line to overtake a cyclists or a scooter with limitation 50 ...

Is there a chance of getting a fine for that? ...
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Old 15.04.2010, 15:09
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Hi,

Probably about 6 weeks ago I did a U-turn (crossed the white line) right outside the Sihlcity parkade (just before you enter under the building, right at the exit booms, i.e. 'small' road, low speed, no other cars except the police ) entrance and was stopped by the Zurich Police. They checked car and all my docs and informed me that the fine is not a fixed (pre-determined) amount. He would write a report, it will go to a judge who determines the amount and then I get it in the post. If I then did not agree with it, I could write a letter/appeal.

Since the anticipation is killing me - can anyone help with these questions:
1)How long does it normally take for these type of fines (determined by a judge) to arrive in your mail box? I expected it much faster than 6 weeks.

2)Any idea on the amount I can expect taking the detail above into account? (I searched and read some other threads but did not find the same type of offense though).

Please note that if you are tempted to inform me that I deserved it, I should pay and be happy, I should rather take the train, I was endangering little kids, I am destroying the environment by using a car, I deserve to loose my permit and be tortured or something similar you will not be consider for a 'Thanks'.

I will obviously update here when (if?) I get the fine at last.
same for me on my 2nd day in ZH. fine was about 700CHF as i did a U-turn in the underpath Langstrasse. no traffic, no police but a undercover cop. i did a u-turn and crossed a bus lane-> 700chf.
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Old 15.04.2010, 15:24
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I got pretty lucky a couple of weeks too, even luckier than you
I drove into the No Entry zone which comes right after the terminal 1-2 parking at Zurich Airport, and then into another No Entry, which is the bus station on the lower level.
Is that really a no entry zone?

I've seen löost-looking cars drive around in the bus station area many times. Must be a common problem.
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same for me on my 2nd day in ZH. fine was about 700CHF as i did a U-turn in the underpath Langstrasse. no traffic, no police but a undercover cop. i did a u-turn and crossed a bus lane-> 700chf.
That is a LOT!
Did you get the fine right-away from the officer or did you have to wait for it to go via a judge and arrive in the post?
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Old 16.04.2010, 00:12
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Hearsay has it that road traffic offences around Sihlcity are not dealt with leniently, especially people who use the down-up access roads to bypass queues at the traffic lights - I think it was 20Minuten a few months ago reported fines of up to 4 figures for doing that as a deterrent
Ever since they opened Sihl City the police have regular checks on cars trying to bypass the traffic using the underpass. There is usually a cop or two watching for cars breaking the law and then they pull them over after they have turned at the traffic lights. They always seem to get a lot of people and it seems to me that the road was designed for this kind of special road tax.

I've no idea how much you can expect to pay. But people should be careful about using the underpass short cut in this way, especially in the morning rush hour. You might save yourself a couple of minutes every day, but you run the risk of a rather hefty fine.
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That is a LOT!
Did you get the fine right-away from the officer or did you have to wait for it to go via a judge and arrive in the post?
it was a nice xmas suprise after i returned from germany later.
i moved on 4th of december 2006, crossed the line 7th of december 2006
and got the fine in my box on the 27th of decmeber 2006.

i wasnt stopped right there, but a copper wrote down my number plate (rental van) and the case was sent on its way...500chf fine, 250chf administrative work.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Thanks for all the replies.

I finally got the fine this week - so here is the detail as promised.

Fine (Busse) 250CHF
+ Court? Fees (Spruchgebuhr) 260CHF
+ Admin Fees (Scheib- und Zustellgebuhren) 18CHF
= 528CHF

It was for crossing a white line (Uberfahrens der sicherheitslinie als lenker ...).

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you decided to do a U-turn when the only other car in sight was a Police car?
I will make this brief, but it is in the Creative Driving Rules that if you are going to perform an illegal act in front of the police, you should make it count... You should have floored it and put up a bit of tire smoke...
...Maybe a donut or two.
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I will make this brief, but it is in the Creative Driving Rules that if you are going to perform an illegal act in front of the police, you should make it count... You should have floored it and put up a bit of tire smoke...
...Maybe a donut or two.
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Fine (Busse) 250CHF
+ Court? Fees (Spruchgebuhr) 260CHF
+ Admin Fees (Scheib- und Zustellgebuhren) 18CHF
= 528CHF
The big ass "court fees" for things that never went to court (yes, I get that a judge still had to decide the fine or whatever.. but the court fees are more than the fine ) are probably my faaavourite thing about Switzerland


My husband and family-in-law have been stung by them many many times! You seem much less angry about it than we all tend to get.. so.. kudos for that.
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Old 21.05.2010, 09:49
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

could have been worse...
a mate was riding his motorbike and the cop (off duty) claims to have seen him cross the solid white line to over take of which it's possible he did - but he's not completely sure...

regardless - the cop then said he did it 3 times and so he lost his license for 1 or 3 months (can't remember exactly how long) with a BIG fine - like 1000chf

so guess you count your losses and move on

i got towed once from outside a hotel in Geneva - where they said it was ok to park - they set up a market at 6:00am and ended up towing my car

220chf to get the car back (after 30-40mins walking to the place)
some months later Geneva police send me a fine for 280chf for "driving up the street the wrong way" - they claimed i needed to do this to park where i was - which was complete and utter rubbish

but hey they'll find some obscure way to prove it so just have to suck it up like a man and move on...

bummer eh

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Thanks for all the replies.

I finally got the fine this week - so here is the detail as promised.

Fine (Busse) 250CHF
+ Court? Fees (Spruchgebuhr) 260CHF
+ Admin Fees (Scheib- und Zustellgebuhren) 18CHF
= 528CHF

It was for crossing a white line (Uberfahrens der sicherheitslinie als lenker ...).

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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Thanks for the useful information everyone.

I must admit though, I've been reading these posts and now feel slightly sick.

I overtook on my motorbike on a double white line in Geneva this morning as the traffic was all snarled up. No-one coming the other way and the policeman who pulled me over didn't seem too concerned. Refused to tell me the amount of the fine though. From reading this forum I get the feeling it's going to be big.....

Will keep the forum posted. Wish I'd read this before though.
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Thanks for the useful information everyone.

I must admit though, I've been reading these posts and now feel slightly sick.

I overtook on my motorbike on a double white line in Geneva this morning as the traffic was all snarled up. No-one coming the other way and the policeman who pulled me over didn't seem too concerned. Refused to tell me the amount of the fine though. From reading this forum I get the feeling it's going to be big.....

Will keep the forum posted. Wish I'd read this before though.
It's not so bad - 600 CHF.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Thanks swissbob, makes me feel a bit better (although still pretty stupid). I promise to post to update everyone.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Once the sun is out, the police regularly setup check points to catch motorcyclist doing that sort of thing. It is easy money for them.

And remember children, if you ride your (push) bike in an irresponsible manner you can get fined and your licence taken away for a month (or more)!
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Once the sun is out, the police regularly setup check points to catch motorcyclist doing that sort of thing. It is easy money for them.
That's what happened to me but the bike was still on UK plates so the cop put on the tickets that I was new to CH and lost my way and guess what - 600 CHF reduced to 300 CHF due to cop's report.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

I just received my first parking offence after many years of driving !!!!!

I got charged for 2 km !.... Apparently i was caught on film doing 55km in a 50km Bellerivestrasse 8008. They gave me a margin of 3km FREE.

Have these guys not got anything better to do??? ...... I thought it was a 60km road silly me. I hope i was looking my best! Next time i will keep my eyes fixed on my speedometer and not the road ahead so i don't offend again.
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