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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

So hubby is driving to the office this morning on his Vespa... When coming into the city centre there is a traffic jam and hubby carefully and slowly overtakes the queing cars on the right... Stupid of course! Even more when a few moments later it appears he has overtaken two anonymous police cars (when the 2nd one makes him stop). The police report will be sent to court apparently.
Very stupid of him and he knows and I am sure he will never ever do it again but anyone any idea of what to expect (fine? loosing his drivers license? both?)? The policeman couldn't tell. Also, hubby just got his A1 drivers license today after doing the mandatory 8-hours course. Any chance he has to re-do the whole A1 application process?
I have already searched a bit but could not find anything so far...
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Old 29.05.2012, 11:56
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Overtaking the queueing cars on the right? Do you mean undertaking, or do you mean left?
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So hubby is driving to the office this morning on his Vespa... When coming into the city centre there is a traffic jam and hubby carefully and slowly overtakes the queing cars on the right... Stupid of course! Even more when a few moments later it appears he has overtaken two anonymous police cars (when the 2nd one makes him stop). The police report will be sent to court apparently.
Very stupid of him and he knows and I am sure he will never ever do it again but anyone any idea of what to expect (fine? loosing his drivers license? both?)? The policeman couldn't tell. Also, hubby just got his A1 drivers license today after doing the mandatory 8-hours course. Any chance he has to re-do the whole A1 application process?
I have already searched a bit but could not find anything so far...
Certainly not his lucky day!

I would imagine a fine only.
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... hubby carefully and slowly overtakes the queing cars on the right... Stupid of course!
I do everyday what you find "stupid".
Of course it's not prize-worthy, but it does not harm anyone.
I've also some time overtaken queueing Police cars here in Zurich, and nothing ever happened.
When I do it, I go really slow, and stop if the passage is not wide more than enough.
I have also got feedbacks from other riders, and all of them do the same.
I guess it's just a matter of luck.

As per the fine, I'd expect a bit more than a 500chf... but I've no previous experience on that...and hope will never have.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

No, not on the left, he was slowly overtaking the cars on the right, not on the bicycle path, but so between the cars and the bicycle path...
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No, not on the left, he was slowly overtaking the cars on the right, not on the bicycle path, but so between the cars and the bicycle path...
Here is the official "price list" if you commit a offense that is not on the list calculate min 200.- for the fine plus 150.- for court fee. It normally wont have effect on the license unless there was a real risky situation.

Normally and the "cheapest" is a 302. which is CHF 60.-. If he crossed a solid bicycle path add 310. and another CHF 100.-

In general Vespa and other biker driver should also look at 305. 306. 307. 308. 314. and 315. just do know what it costs to be a rebel.

Bikers without a motor should look at the 600. range. Please note the discount.
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Hearsay has it that road traffic offences around Sihlcity are not dealt with leniently, especially people who use the down-up access roads to bypass queues at the traffic lights - I think it was 20Minuten a few months ago reported fines of up to 4 figures for doing that as a deterrent
It's working well - I think a million cars tried this very trick this morning.

Other tricks involve blatting up the carpark on the right coming into town, then merging aggressively down at the lights.

Amazing the things you see when flitering...which you could argue is equally naughty...
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Old 29.05.2012, 14:27
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Here is the official "price list" if you commit a offense that is not on the list calculate min 200.- for the fine plus 150.- for court fee. It normally wont have effect on the license unless there was a real risky situation.

Normally and the "cheapest" is a 302. which is CHF 60.-. If he crossed a solid bicycle path add 310. and another CHF 100.-

In general Vespa and other biker driver should also look at 305. 306. 307. 308. 314. and 315. just do know what it costs to be a rebel.

Bikers without a motor should look at the 600. range. Please note the discount.
That is a horrible list to read..

It seems to be only 100CHF if you ride on the pavement; sounds like a cheaper option?

Or buy a push bike
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No, not on the left, he was slowly undertaking the cars on the right, not on the bicycle path, but so between the cars and the bicycle path...
corrected for you, maybe if he had been overtaking then he might have got away with it as most cops dont seem to bother with filtering
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corrected for you, maybe if he had been overtaking then he might have got away with it as most cops dont seem to bother with filtering
ok..but that means if I drive in the middle, between 2 columns of car queueing I'm overtaking the ones on my right but still undertaking the ones on my left... and the police might be right there in that Lane.
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

thats called filtering and different from what has been described. I have gone past numerous marked and unmarked cars and never had any problems, even when filtering quickly.

there is an initiative to allowed bikes to filter ongoing
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thats called filtering and different from what has been described. I have gone past numerous marked and unmarked cars and never had any problems, even when filtering quickly.

there is an initiative to allowed bikes to filter ongoing
oh. That's a precious information. I was not aware of the difference.
Any further information/link about this initiative?
In which way and at which extent it is tolerated?
This would be really nice to know.
Sorry for going off topic
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Old 29.05.2012, 17:03
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

I've received a lecture for running a red light - when drunk - on a push-bike

Mind you - I was knocked off my bike by a police car (his fault) a couple of months prior - so I guess I used up that "Get out of jail free card"
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oh. That's a precious information. I was not aware of the difference.
Any further information/link about this initiative?
In which way and at which extent it is tolerated?
This would be really nice to know.
Sorry for going off topic
Link to initiative.

About toleration, it depends if the policeman's wife had headache the night before, if his favorite donuts were available, if he got his promotion or not: If you filter with your motorbike you may violate one or more of the following laws Art. 13 Abs. 3, Art. 8 Abs. 3 VRV and Art. 47 Abs. 2 SVG. Also note, not every passing on the right hand side is illegal Art. 8 Abs. 3 and Art. 36 Abs. 5 VRV
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Re: Traffic fine given by Zurich Police

Just to give you an update...
Got a first letter some weeks ago from the Strassenverkehrsamt, notifying hubby of the fact that "a file" had been opened and that they were awaiting the outcome of the tribunal to decide what their next step would be: withdrawal of the driver's license or a warning.
And on Saturday, there was the long awaited letter in our mailbox. We thought it would be the invitation to go to tribunal for a hearing but no, it was already the final sentence: penalty of 550CHF, no withdrawal of driver's license.
We are really relieved, were expecting the worst and so we are kind of happy with 'only' having to pay 550CHF.
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