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I can find lots of references to being obliged to know who was driving one's care at any given time and place. This seems a bit ridiculous to me. I certainly do not keep a diary of who's driving the car, but apparently Swiss people think I should? Anyways, no question the car was speeding.

But what does one do if one doesn't know who was driving?

We've got a ticket in the mail for 20CHF but we've know idea who was driving on the day of the incident. Well, an idea of one of the family, but we don't know.

We can choose someone but it seems bizarre to demand it.

This is one of the reasons photoradar wasn't implemented where I come from I recall.
Low value tickets are anonymous so it does not matter, pay in cash at the post office
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Old 05.03.2015, 18:51
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I can find lots of references to being obliged to know who was driving one's care at any given time and place. This seems a bit ridiculous to me. I certainly do not keep a diary of who's driving the car, but apparently Swiss people think I should? Anyways, no question the car was speeding.

But what does one do if one doesn't know who was driving?

We've got a ticket in the mail for 20CHF but we've know idea who was driving on the day of the incident. Well, an idea of one of the family, but we don't know.

We can choose someone but it seems bizarre to demand it.
For minor administrative fines (up to CHF 260 IIRC) it's no obligation but just an option to name the driver. I.e. if your friend who's always short on cash was driving you have the option of giving his details to the authorities instead of paying the fine yourself and having to go through the hassle of getting your money back.
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

Does anyone know the likely fine for not reporting a small accident in a car park?

I grazed someones car without realizing as I had loud music on and the police came calling a few hours later since the owner noticed it when they got back and they pulled video of the car park. Pretty efficient! I admitted to not reporting it as I didn't know and they said the report would go to a court and they would fine me.

I was too shaken to ask what the fine may be since it was completely unexpected, but now I am a little worried since failing to report something can be quite a serious offence in England.

I can't find anything about it on the official regulations (looks like I broke this law Article 51.3 - https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19580266/index.html#a51)

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

Because the damage was not properly reported, the traffic offense appears to be Fahrerflucht. Kassensturz mentioned this regarding a fine:

"Wenn man sich nicht meldet und erwischt wird, gibt es wegen «pflichtwidrigem Verhalten» eine Anzeige, die dann vom Einzelrichter beurteilt wird.
Es ist nicht mehr ein einfaches Ordnungsbussenverfahren, sondern ein aufwendiges ordentliches Verfahren. D.h. die Busse fällt einkommensabhängig aus. Man muss mit ein paar Hundert Franken rechnen."

http://www.srf.ch/konsum/rechtsfrage...ch-parkschaden
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

My husband drove over 16km over city limit(60km) Kanton ZH, that is 1km over the Ordnungsbusse. He just received the letter to declare the driver's details(although they wrote that they have the photo). the letter doesn't say how much the fine will be, from the chart it looks like it will be 400CHF. Is it required to send the driver's details? And is there a administrative fees in addition to the fine?

I read the traffic offenses thread and still not clear to me…

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For minor administrative fines (up to CHF 260 IIRC) it's no obligation but just an option to name the driver. I.e. if your friend who's always short on cash was driving you have the option of giving his details to the authorities instead of paying the fine yourself and having to go through the hassle of getting your money back.
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My husband drove over 16km over city limit(60km) Kanton ZH, that is 1km over the Ordnungsbusse. He just received the letter to declare the driver's details(although they wrote that they have the photo). the letter doesn't say how much the fine will be, from the chart it looks like it will be 400CHF. Is it required to send the driver's details? And is there a administrative fees in addition to the fine?

I read the traffic offenses thread and still not clear to me…

Thank you.
For that sort of offence the driver with have a two year 'probation period' and if he commits anither serious offence during that time his licence will be suspended and the fines/penalties will be harsh so you need to provide the driver details. If you don't give the details I think the offence will be attributed to the registered owner of the vehicle by default but if the registered owner is clearly a woman and the photo is clearly a man they'll know that it wasn't the owner who was driving.

I think there are some fees on top of the fine but not sure how much they are (270chf sticks in my mind but I don't have a copy of the letter as I was just translating it for OH's colleague). The fine for the offence is 400chf.
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Does anyone know the likely fine for not reporting a small accident in a car park?

I grazed someones car without realizing as I had loud music on and the police came calling a few hours later since the owner noticed it when they got back and they pulled video of the car park. Pretty efficient! I admitted to not reporting it as I didn't know and they said the report would go to a court and they would fine me.

I was too shaken to ask what the fine may be since it was completely unexpected, but now I am a little worried since failing to report something can be quite a serious offence in England.

I can't find anything about it on the official regulations (looks like I broke this law Article 51.3 - https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19580266/index.html#a51)

Thanks for any info.
http://www.verkehrs-recht.ch/fliesse...n/fahrerflucht

It is also very serious here. You will have to go to court & can expect a big fine and a possible driving ban. Playing loud music is not permissible when driving (You must be able to hear any emergency service sirens), so better to not use that excuse. It could be worth hiring a lawyer for this problem.
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

Sooo...Should I immediately also hit the brakes just after someone gets to the left lane on motorway and decelerate for no reason (or due to the traffic)??
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Old 10.11.2016, 17:10
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Sooo...Should I immediately also hit the brakes just after someone gets to the left lane on motorway and decelerate for no reason (or due to the traffic)??
Would you mind describing the situation with a bit more clarity?

Although hitting the brakes is a well known method of avoiding an accident, it is also, depending on the context, a fairly reliable method of causing one.
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Sooo...Should I immediately also hit the brakes just after someone gets to the left lane on motorway and decelerate for no reason (or due to the traffic)??
Driving Today (Swiss traffic regs)
Item 652
- the lane to the left serves for overtaking only. Exception: in heavy traffic on both lanes when driving in lanes

Item 654 -Driving past on the right
Only allowed in following situations:
- when driving in parrallel files
- on filtering lanes, provided that different destinations are signalled for each lane
- on acceleration stretches of access lines up to the end of the double line
- on deceleration lanes of exit points

Item 655 Overtaking on the Right
- overtaking on the right by pulling out and cutting in again is prohibited
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

Well at least start to slow down, as you do not know what is going to happen next! Most people brake for a reason,
maybe they thought there was a speed camera or something?
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No, just put more gas to crash with style.
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No, just put more gas to crash with style.
This is motorway, you can see for hundreds of meters ahead.
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This is motorway, you can see for hundreds of meters ahead.
If you are driving in the right lane, and there is heavy traffic in the left lane, driving at your speed, then maintain the same speed, don't make violent movements!! It is safer to drive with a space next to you, not a vehicle.

Later the traffic will change speed, and if the left lane brakes, just continue at your normal speed, and lift your foot off the gas pedal to slow down slowly. No need to brake heavily. This is "driving past" and is allowed, but keep well to the right of your right lane just in case someone changes lane quickly and doesn't see you.

If the left lane accelerates simply keep up with the traffic. Avoid changing to the left lane if it has denser traffic, as it will often begin braking again. In the right lane you usually have the hard shoulder to move across to, if an emergency occurs in front of you.

If the traffic stops you should keep away from the center of the two traffic lanes (left lane keeps left, right lane keeps right) this enables emergency vehicles to drive up the middle of the stopped traffic. If you are in the right lane then move across to the emergency lane when necessary.
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Re: Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

I was flashed by a red-light tonight. It's pretty wet/icy here in Ticino tonight. I'm from the US, and its advised and taught that if you're going at-speed (not speeding, but normal speed) and the light turns yellow that you shoul proceed through the yellow. Abruptly stopping in traffic at a yellow can cause accidents, as well as additional danger when the road conditions are not 100%.

I saw yellow when I went through, and caught a glimpse of red as I was under the light. Seeing as there was no earthly way for me to safely stop before it turned red without adding risk to myself or people around me - will this get me fined?

It kind of shocks me how short the yellow lights are here. Should I be stopping dead when I see it go from Green to Yellow? Should I hope that the people behind me are always, 100% paying attention and, too, will slam on their brakes just as I slam on mine? It seems like I'm choosing between a definite fine, or possible accident/death.

What's the deal?
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I was flashed by a red-light tonight. It's pretty wet/icy here in Ticino tonight. I'm from the US, and its advised and taught that if you're going at-speed (not speeding, but normal speed) and the light turns yellow that you shoul proceed through the yellow. Abruptly stopping in traffic at a yellow can cause accidents, as well as additional danger when the road conditions are not 100%.

I saw yellow when I went through, and caught a glimpse of red as I was under the light. Seeing as there was no earthly way for me to safely stop before it turned red without adding risk to myself or people around me - will this get me fined?

It kind of shocks me how short the yellow lights are here. Should I be stopping dead when I see it go from Green to Yellow? Should I hope that the people behind me are always, 100% paying attention and, too, will slam on their brakes just as I slam on mine? It seems like I'm choosing between a definite fine, or possible accident/death.

What's the deal?
if you couldn't stop in time when you saw the light was yellow, then it means you were driving too fast for the conditions.
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if you couldn't stop in time when you saw the light was yellow, then it means you were driving too fast for the conditions.
So I suppose I should be stopping at yellow as opposed to red, regardless of all?
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So I suppose I should be stopping at yellow as opposed to red, regardless of all?
Yellow does mean stop so yes.
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Yellow does mean stop so yes.
Understood. Here's a quote regarding US traffic laws that I'm accustomed to:

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One rule of thumb is that if you are 100 feet or less from the intersection, you have passed the “point of no return” and cannot stop safely before the intersection. Therefore, it is best to continue at your current speed through the intersection, but be cautious as you pass through.
I suppose I have erroneously thought it was the same/similar here.
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I suppose I have erroneously thought it was the same/similar here.
Driving Today - item 526 - Amber non-flashing light
- when it follows green: Stop for vehicles that are still able to stop before the junction

So it is the same, the problem here being you chose to shoot the lights rather than brake.

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