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Old 03.11.2011, 13:36
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Perhaps you would have said the same about the Kharman Ghia.
You have to ask yourself that if you look at cars of the last 20 years; what would you list as an icon; Audi TT comes to mind; I cannot think of any others.

any of the cosworths
lotus carlton
mx5
elise
just off the top of my head
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Old 03.11.2011, 13:38
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any of the cosworths
lotus carlton
mx5
elise
just off the top of my head
M-Roadster/Coupe (First one)
M-Coupe (Second one)
Renault Avantgarde
Citroen C6
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Old 03.11.2011, 13:38
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any of the cosworths
lotus carlton
mx5
elise
just off the top of my head
that's how I know you know nothing about cars....well that and the blue Rover.
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Old 03.11.2011, 13:40
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that's how I know you know nothing about cars.

thats how I know your a yank

ok for you yanks

Holden (Vauxhall VXR8)
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Old 03.11.2011, 13:44
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thats how I know your a yank

ok for you yanks

Holden (Vauxhall VXR8)
..nah, that's an Australian Opel with a Vette engine.
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Old 03.11.2011, 13:57
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Re: Oldtimers [classic cars]

Now we have some strange car choices being thrown into the Icon pit

I'll stick in the Audi Quattro...classic!
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:09
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Re: Oldtimers [classic cars]

heres one for me.
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:17
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Now we have some strange car choices being thrown into the Icon pit

I'll stick in the Audi Quattro...classic!
Wait, since bigblue started this iconic list..I'd like to add my 2 cents as well.

-Fiat Multipla
-Pontiac Aztec
-Mazda 121
-any Citroen
-most Audis
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:22
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Wait, since bigblue started this iconic list..I'd like to add my 2 cents as well.

-Fiat Multipla
-Pontiac Aztec
-Mazda 121
-any Citroen
-most Audis
Erm LiB, this is the classic car thread, not the demolition derby thread.
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:23
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Erm LiB, this is the classic car thread, not the demolition derby thread.
I forgot to add the sarcastic smiley.
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:25
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Wait, since bigblue started this iconic list..I'd like to add my 2 cents as well.

-Fiat Multipla
-Pontiac Aztec
-Mazda 121
-any Citroen
-most Audis
Most fail unfortunately. A car deserving of classic status is either:

1) Iconic - IE a game changer in terms of design EG MX5 - made small sportscars fun AND reliable; Golf GTi MK1; Volvo 240

2) Iconic - IE in terms of catching the zeitgeist of its time - often harder to define - and often easy to miss

3) Rare - the easiest route to a classic. No matter how unloved when new - if the number on this planet is low - it will be a classic EG Renault Avantgarde, C6

4) Heritage - specifically motorsport - the E30 M3 is the best example - designed so the car could go racing. However the E28 and E34 M5s now command big prices because they were the start of the "powerful saloon" scene

Basically - anthing with a production run is unlikely to attract too much in the way of classic value. Spotting future classics is hard - but the above "rules" help define what you should be looking for.

The TT might fall into the 2nd group - but I don't think it ever will - thanks to too many being produced and its ordinaryness.

The E60 M5 V10 is heading in the right direction - the last of the normally aspirated M5s it will hold a special place in the heart of M fans (with deep enough pockets). Their prices are still falling because it isn't yet a classic - but it will be.
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:26
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Re: Oldtimers [classic cars]

maybe you should justify your choices as well


cosworths - classic boy racer cars, very much a sign of the times
lotus carlton - take a really really crap car and made into something very special indeed
mx5 - the car that re-started the 2 seater convertible market (ok it was beaten to market by the elan but no one bought that)
elise - track day car for the road that was actually reliable, cheap and usable day to day

thinking about it, a mk1 impreza turbo as well, if there are any unmolested ones still alive
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Old 03.11.2011, 14:28
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..alright, here is my real nomination. It's one of my dream cars (1970 Coupe DeVille). Mine will be black with a Brougham Wreath around the emblem in the back. I'd call it "The President" and only ride it on Sunday morning, for when I go to get my newspaper or take my lady to the opera/fundraiser/nomination gala in the evening.


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Old 03.11.2011, 14:58
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.... or take my lady to the opera/fundraiser/nomination gala in the evening.
I think your "lady" will enjoy an evening at the opera - or ballet.



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Well, bumping a thread on zombie state for 11 years. Hope you don't mind

I had to spend my sick and quarantine time on something productive........so, I went from A to Z in Autoscout. It was fun browsing, there are tons of interesting and not so expensive toys in CH. All cool and rational until I saw this one. Stopped this afternoon by the shop in Solothurn that sells it. Looks better in person



Before doing an stupid decision I need to learn about them and make some kind of budget. I need to get acquainted with restomods options: steering, suspension, tires or brakes upgrades to technology of year 2022. I believe cars belong to the road, so mechanical upgrades ensure more time on the road and less on oldtimer shows.

Anyone around here with knowledge on the 1954 Studebaker Champion Starlight ? I have some experience with old cars, but anyone knows a mechanic that can give a 2nd opinion on it?

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Before doing an stupid decision I need to learn about them and make some kind of budget. I need to get acquainted with restomods options: steering, suspension, tires or brakes upgrades to technology of year 2022. I believe cars belong to the road, so mechanical upgrades ensure more time on the road and less on oldtimer shows.

Anyone around here with knowledge on the 1954 Studebaker Champion Starlight ? I have some experience with old cars, but anyone knows a mechanic that can give a 2nd opinion on it?
Unless you have extremely deep pockets, restomods are out of the question in CH. Each non-stock item will need to be tested and approved by the STVA. Cha-chingÖ

Not much parts availability for a Studebaker, either.


I have an old Mercury sitting in the US, that i havent shipped over due to having a small block chevy v8 in place of the original flathead v8.
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Stopped this afternoon by the shop in Solothurn that sells it.
Nice, but not as nice as the black GT parked next to it (in my opinion).
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Old 13.01.2022, 19:11
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Nice, but not as nice as the black GT parked next to it (in my opinion).
The black one was a CitroŽn DS
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The black one was a CitroŽn DS
https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/stud...ingPosition=13
Maybe it was an older photo.
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Unless you have extremely deep pockets, restomods are out of the question in CH. Each non-stock item will need to be tested and approved by the STVA. Cha-ching…
Ohhhh, that means it's OK to drive with 70 YO brakes as long as they are "properly maintained" while any upgrade will have to pass homologation? Strange approach to safety. Upgrades make cars less murderous, but surely I don't have the money to pay DTC homologation.

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