any of the cosworths
lotus carlton
mx5
elise
just off the top of my head

M-Roadster/Coupe (First one)
M-Coupe (Second one)
Renault Avantgarde
Citroen C6

that's how I know you know nothing about cars....well that and the blue Rover.

thats how I know your a yank

ok for you yanks

Holden (Vauxhall VXR8)

..nah, that's an Australian Opel with a Vette engine.

Now we have some strange car choices being thrown into the Icon pit

I'll stick in the Audi Quattro...classic!

heres one for me.

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Wait, since bigblue started this iconic list..I'd like to add my 2 cents as well.

-Fiat Multipla
-Pontiac Aztec
-Mazda 121
-any Citroen
-most Audis

Erm LiB, this is the classic car thread, not the demolition derby thread.

I forgot to add the sarcastic smiley.

Most fail unfortunately. A car deserving of classic status is either:

1) Iconic - IE a game changer in terms of design EG MX5 - made small sportscars fun AND reliable; Golf GTi MK1; Volvo 240

2) Iconic - IE in terms of catching the zeitgeist of its time - often harder to define - and often easy to miss

3) Rare - the easiest route to a classic. No matter how unloved when new - if the number on this planet is low - it will be a classic EG Renault Avantgarde, C6

4) Heritage - specifically motorsport - the E30 M3 is the best example - designed so the car could go racing. However the E28 and E34 M5s now command big prices because they were the start of the "powerful saloon" scene

Basically - anthing with a production run is unlikely to attract too much in the way of classic value. Spotting future classics is hard - but the above "rules" help define what you should be looking for.

The TT might fall into the 2nd group - but I don't think it ever will - thanks to too many being produced and its ordinaryness.

The E60 M5 V10 is heading in the right direction - the last of the normally aspirated M5s it will hold a special place in the heart of M fans (with deep enough pockets). Their prices are still falling because it isn't yet a classic - but it will be.

maybe you should justify your choices as well


cosworths - classic boy racer cars, very much a sign of the times
lotus carlton - take a really really crap car and made into something very special indeed
mx5 - the car that re-started the 2 seater convertible market (ok it was beaten to market by the elan but no one bought that)
elise - track day car for the road that was actually reliable, cheap and usable day to day

thinking about it, a mk1 impreza turbo as well, if there are any unmolested ones still alive

..alright, here is my real nomination. It's one of my dream cars (1970 Coupe DeVille). Mine will be black with a Brougham Wreath around the emblem in the back. I'd call it "The President" and only ride it on Sunday morning, for when I go to get my newspaper or take my lady to the opera/fundraiser/nomination gala in the evening.

I think your "lady" will enjoy an evening at the opera - or ballet.



I am beginning to see you as the forum Hogg!!!