Actually, a Bentley Continental is like a VW Phaeton. For some years even built in the same factory.

well the Zonda uses the same climate control head unit as a ZS180, so by this line of thinking a Zonda is the same as a Rover Metro.

Something you should know about Jags and their owners (0:35 onwards)

If you buy a petrol model, I can make whatever you buy go very, very fast!
from an engine management point of view, in the S type, there have been quite a few powertrain management problems resulting from poor module coordination that results in a variety of pretty but disturbing lights on the dash. a trip to the dealer for all factory computer updates after you purchase it would be a great idea. other than that problem, they are pretty bulletproof.

At least the Rover Metro doesn't look like it has, well, a hole in it's backside.

they usually do, a big fat rust hole

But at least it's not intentional and big enough to put melons in. Not unless it's a really OLD Metro!

I know he's ambitious but that is crazy!

Do you like the interior?

VW Phaeton is the car for someone that understands a quality product without telling people "look what I have".

I would rather drive a second hand Phaeton than any Jaguar.
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/2031020
VW Phaeton is a bargain second hand (go for nothing) and as you say; virtually a Bentley Continental.

By the way; I do not work for VAG but I can see that the VAG group ahve the best overall products/designs at the moment but in five years time; they might be hit like Toyota as they are expanding at a very fast rate and if you know the motor trade realise that things go in phases.

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How did a discussion about Jaguars turn into a discussion about Prius and VW?

For people caring more about cars than a tool to get from A to B, the decision is to a large extend emotive. Otherwise we would all buy the same car I think.

Whilst I am by no means a Jaguar fan (although I like the XFR and XKR) I understand why people buy them. If you like the classic styling of a Jag, then the S class or the latest XJ are probably your best options.

And as a Jag owner, you will get away with not paying the bill at dinner (ref Top Gear above)


PS! Top Gear is an entertainment programme, so don't believe everything they tell you about cars..

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Agree 100%. A 2nd hand Phaeton is an outstanding, unassuming bargain.

Does anyone on the forum have one? These W12 versions are so cheap that they are very tempting.

Thanks for the Phaeton tip. I think I will look into it.

They are too understated to the point of bland. That is why the jag scores. Neat lines, powerful engines, distinctive, element of gamble, fun.

The VW Phaeton is a car driven by somebody with real class and knows that the ignorant will not even realise they have class.

If you meet stinking rich farmers; they will wear what most people will believe is a scruffy shirt; but you will find that it is a hard wearing Saville Row shirt of about £100. They don't wear sweat shirts with DKNY in large letters trying to say "look at me, I'm wealthy".

Real class would by the passat, realising that spending more on somthing thatl spending more doesn't buy you anymore than an unbadged passat. The point of buying classy motors is that they look classy and not like just another version of lookalike german cruisers.

The plus for a Jag is how it looks and feels from the inside. Some of us, believe it or not, are more into the interior than the exterior of the car. I can see a lady dressed to the nines in a Jag from the inside. But I'm not so sure how good they would look in a Phaeton from the outside.

I like the Jag because it is not teutonic. Hell, I get enough teutonics around here. But the Phaeton sounds like it warrants a look.

LOL its been a while since you where last up saville row then

there is a very good reason why the Phaeton is dirt cheap 2nd hand, for the same reason large bmw's, range rovers, big merc's etc are cheap 2nd hand, you still have supercar type bill for them but without supercar looks. 5 years down the line your driving a large 2nd hand vw (merc, bmw etc) but still have bentley sized bills for servicing and repairs. personally I don't want bentley bills for driving a vw

I wish I could afford the train fare let alone the shirt.