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Caught Speeding way above limit.

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I was caught speeding at 190kmh on motorway A12 (limit 120 kmh..), Yes!!!
I am one of those dumb guys who ignored things completely as i was late for a flight.
This happened in 2008 and I left switzerland by around april 2009. While I was there I had gone to the Police and gave all the details which they asked for. Also I was not legally working in swiss.
Now I am back in india, and after 2 years I have recieved the letter, through the local police and foreign affairs wing, containing the fine details. It was sent on may 2009 though I recieved it only in June 2010, Since i was not available in my Indian address for a while.

The fine details in the penal order:
1. monetary penalty of 30 "day -fines" suspended for a period of 2 years. per diem amount is 20.00 CHF (30*20 = 600 CHF)

2. and to a fine of 2000.00 CHF
and additional Cost of criminal proceedings 115.00 CHF.

I recieved the Orange pay slip which contained account number to which the fine is to be paid for and amount 2115 CHF. i need to pay this within 30 days of receipt of the penal order. which is one month from June 2010. It doesnt say anything about 20*30 CHF perdiem suspended fine.

Now I am ready to pay the whole fine as I know i have done wrong. My doubt is regarding the per diem suspended fine. What am I supposed to do with it. Should I pay this right away?

I am planning to go back to swiss by start of year 2011.
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Guys,
I was caught speeding at 190kmh on motorway A12 (limit 120 kmh..), Yes!!!
I am one of those dumb guys who ignored things completely as i was late for a flight.
This happened in 2008 and I left switzerland by around april 2009. While I was there I had gone to the Police and gave all the details which they asked for. Also I was not legally working in swiss.
Now I am back in india, and after 2 years I have recieved the letter, through the local police and foreign affairs wing, containing the fine details. It was sent on may 2009 though I recieved it only in June 2010, Since i was not available in my Indian address for a while.

The fine details in the penal order:
1. monetary penalty of 30 "day -fines" suspended for a period of 2 years. per diem amount is 20.00 CHF (30*20 = 600 CHF)

2. and to a fine of 2000.00 CHF
and additional Cost of criminal proceedings 115.00 CHF.

I recieved the Orange pay slip which contained account number to which the fine is to be paid for and amount 2115 CHF. i need to pay this within 30 days of receipt of the penal order. which is one month from June 2010. It doesnt say anything about 20*30 CHF perdiem suspended fine.

Now I am ready to pay the whole fine as I know i have done wrong. My doubt is regarding the per diem suspended fine. What am I supposed to do with it. Should I pay this right away?

I am planning to go back to swiss by start of year 2011.
I would pay just the CHF 2,115 as per the pay slip and see what happens.
They will probably be happy that they have received that.
I wonder if you would have paid the fine if you were not "coming back to Switzerland in early 2011 to work"?
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Old 01.07.2010, 08:56
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Re: Caught Speeding way above limit.

Hi,
If it's 'suspended' then I would assume that it remains so unless you commit another offence during the suspension period. As the bill has been issued such a long time ago, they may see the delay in payment as being some sort of breach of that suspension and so you may have to try and prove that you've only just received it.
In any case you should get it completely resolved before you attempt to return or apply for a visa (if required).
If you still know people here in Switzerland it may be a good idea to contact them and send them a copy of what you have received - for clarification.
Anyway . . you think you were speeding? I remember a couple of years ago in Berlin, the city police that they had recorded their greatest speed excess ever . . . the guy was coming down Landsberger allee and was doing 153km OVER the speed limit. It's a very long and wide road leading (through the city!) into east Berlin and he was doing over 200km . . . I guess he got something considerably larger than you!
I've been 'done' for speeding twice . . on my bike (pedal bike that is)
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Guys,
I was caught speeding at 190kmh on motorway A12 (limit 120 kmh..), Yes!!!
I am one of those dumb guys who ignored things completely as i was late for a flight.
Bullshit. Nobody speeds like that 'unintentionally'. You can't tell me you didn't realize how fast you were going.
'Dumb guys' don't belong behind the wheel. They belong in the back seat or on the tram.


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I am planning to go back to swiss by start of year 2011.
Maybe this time you'll be working here....legally....and avoid being on the road with those of us who don't want to die or be crippled or be horribly disfigured by of your selfish actions.
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Old 01.07.2010, 09:02
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Bullshit. Nobody speeds like that 'unintentionally'. You can't tell me you didn't realize how fast you were going.
'Dumb guys' don't belong behind the wheel. They belong in the back seat or on the tram.

Maybe this time you'll be working here....legally....and avoid being on the road with those of us who don't want to die or be crippled or be horribly disfigured by of your selfish actions.
I'm sure you've never done anything stupid. He's admitted his fault, hasn't offered any weird excuse bar his own stupidity, and is asking a question relating to paying (not getting off) the fine.
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Old 01.07.2010, 09:04
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Bullshit. Nobody speeds like that 'unintentionally'. You can't tell me you didn't realize how fast you were going.
'Dumb guys' don't belong behind the wheel. They belong in the back seat or on the tram.
I think the op did admit that he ignored the speeding sign - he wasn't trying to say that he didn't realise it . . in fact he admitted that he was stupid . . . . . what's your problem with that?

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Bullshit. Nobody speeds like that 'unintentionally'. You can't tell me you didn't realize how fast you were going.
'Dumb guys' don't belong behind the wheel. They belong in the back seat or on the tram.
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I think the op did admit that he ignored the speeding sign - he wasn't trying to say that he didn't realise it . . in fact he admitted that he was stupid . . . . . what's your problem with that?
Also we have no idea what the road conditions were at the time. It may have been completely physically safe (dry, empty road) to drive at 190, just financially irresponsible!

A lot of the most dangerous driving here occurs during atrocious weather conditions, with drivers nose-to-tail far too close at 100km/h. Unfortunately most of these gormless creatures have no idea the risk at which they place themselves in as they are technically and blindly within 'the rules' with regards to speed limit.

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Bullshit. Nobody speeds like that 'unintentionally'. You can't tell me you didn't realize how fast you were going.
'Dumb guys' don't belong behind the wheel. They belong in the back seat or on the tram.
Oh you never ever break the speed limit; even on a large road late at night when there are no pedestrians or any chance of children chasing balls.

If schools are opening or finishing; I might not even drive at the maximum allowed speed.

I drive according to conditions.
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Old 01.07.2010, 09:11
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Re: Caught Speeding way above limit.

190 is not 'ignoring the speeding sign'. You can groan at me all you want but it doesn't bring back my dead friend killed by some dumb ass speeding because he was late for a meeting.
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190 is not 'ignoring the speeding sign'. You can groan at me all you want but it doesn't bring back my dead friend killed by some dumb ass speeding because he was late for a meeting.
Yes..................Yes.................Yes

Oh and don't forget driving faster adds to the Global Warming
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Re: Caught Speeding way above limit.

As Cashboy says safety at speed is all about driving to the conditions. Strange how you can drive a few kilometres north of here, cross the border into Germanland and find large numbers of drivers driving the same kind of two lane autobahn at speeds in excess of 190 - and yet the Germans are not dropping like flies.

On the other hand CHF 2115 fines help keep taxes down for the rest of us.
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If schools are opening or finishing; I might not even drive at the maximum allowed speed.
You probably only slow down because that's your preferred dating pool.
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You probably only slow down because that's your preferred dating pool.
Yep...................long term planning
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You can groan at me all you want but it doesn't bring back my dead friend killed by some dumb ass speeding
Neither does getting on your high horse and ranting about speeding.

Speeding is a broad topic - a driver doing 60kmh in a city is far more dangerous than one doing 145kmh on the motorway (same % increase over the posted limit). Speed is also relative - 200kmh on a deserted, dry and clear sighted motorway maybe safer than 100kmh on a very wet busy motorway.

Further more, there is a difference between drivers. An experienced racing driver will be far more adept and driving quickly than a 17 year old who has just passed his test.

Speeding is a poor term, excessive and inappropriate speed is a far better term - as it benchmarks the speed against the conditions.
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Old 01.07.2010, 09:28
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190 is not 'ignoring the speeding sign'. You can groan at me all you want but it doesn't bring back my dead friend killed by some dumb ass speeding because he was late for a meeting.
The person who killed your friend may have been an idiot and may have been speeding but it's highly unlikely your friend was killed by high speed. What kills people is inappropriately high speed. If it were possible, and I'm sure governments and police forces would agree with this, the speed limit would change depending on the driver, the car, the location and the conditions. However this is currently impossible to police, so the speed limit is set at the minimum of this (the worst brakes, the slowest reaction times, the worst conditions). This means that in almost all cases, exceeding the speed limit is completely safe, while being financially irresponsible.
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Re: Caught Speeding way above limit.

I got a pretty serious ticket last year going 110 in an 80 zone. This is on the highway by Uster where it goes down to 80 for about 1km or so. The fine was pretty stiff but more that that and they start to take a percentage of your annual salary. I am on a 2 year probation. If I get another ticket then they will suspend my license for 1 month and give me another huge fine. (not really a huge concern as this was my only moving violation in 7 years)

You may find that when you come back you will not be allowed to drive for some period of time. I am not really familiar with all the ins and outs of the law, other than to know that the Swiss take driving safety pretty seriously.
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Re: Caught Speeding way above limit.

Can we get this thread back on topic. While we all have our opinions regarding speeding, the topic of this thread is answering the OP's question which is:-

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Now I am ready to pay the whole fine as I know i have done wrong. My doubt is regarding the per diem suspended fine. What am I supposed to do with it. Should I pay this right away?
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Re: How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?

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Pay the fine as per the paying-in slip.

The Swiss will keep it on record forever.
If you don't pay, the fine will simply grow and the problem will get worse.
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This happened in 2008 and I left switzerland by around april 2009.
Am I the only one who wonders how it could possibly have taken this long for the paperwork to materialize? How many months does it take for them to send you the fine details?

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I am planning to go back to swiss by start of year 2011.
Wonder what kind of licence you are going to be able to get here?
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190 is not 'ignoring the speeding sign'. You can groan at me all you want but it doesn't bring back my dead friend killed by some dumb ass speeding because he was late for a meeting.
True, but blaming the OP by proxy won't bring your friend back either.

Unfortunately, I think you will find that most people who are killed aren't involved in accidents where the speed limit is being violated. Speed is just an all too easy target and much easier to quantify than good driving or safe practices on the roadways.

And yeah, I had a cousin killed by a drunk driver and another family member killed a person who was riding out of a blind side alley. In the first the driver was a repeat offender and had a long history of abuse of alcohol and the system. In the second there was nothing that could have been done and the driver was not exceeding the posted limit and conditions were optimum. Two people are still dead.

BTW, did your dumb ass go to jail? Or did s/he go free like the drunken louse that killed my cousin?

To the OP, you could always bring a thousand francs with you when you fly back into switzerland next time just in case you need to pay that other fine.
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