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New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

Hi,

I've just arrived in Zurich and I'm looking for a car. I visited ADU (http://www.adu.ch/) today. They sell new cars, mostly imported from other European countries. Their prices are extremely low (10 ~ 30% lower than the market) but the quality of their service is rather poor (there are several threads here complaining about them).

What I want to know is the risks associated to buying these imported cars. I talked to several other dealers in Uster and the only negative point they mentioned about ADU was about guarantee: they claimed since these cars are imported and not Swiss models, there can be potential problems with warranty or parts. However, this does not sound very logical. After all these cars are European models so I don't see why their warranty or parts should be any different. The only think that I can think of is resale value that could be potentially lower. Then again, how do you tell if a car is a Swiss model or say, an Italian model? I sure cannot tell the difference.

So what are you thoughts? Quality of service aside, do you think buying these cars is risky?

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AlefSin

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Old 11.08.2010, 20:32
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

Can't comment on cars but my dead motorcycle bought in the UK made 15HP more than the Swiss model of the same year. I was amazed - checked German and French models - same as UK.

Switzerland is not in the EU and the EU and Swiss standards, though similar, do have differences.
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Can't comment on cars but my dead motorcycle bought in the UK made 15HP more than the Swiss model of the same year. I was amazed - checked German and French models - same as UK.

Switzerland is not in the EU and the EU and Swiss standards, though similar, do have differences.
Wow that's interesting. I guess having few differences in the options would be natural be I didn't think the drivetrain would be different! I guess I have to check the specs of the cars very closely.
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Old 11.08.2010, 23:05
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

From the mid 80s until around 2000 Switzerland had more strict emission laws - hence a number of cars at that time (and bikes) would be down on power compared to EU models - a good example of this was the Volvo 760 GLE - the UK late model B280E engined model produced a healthy 170ps - the Swiss version had to make do 156ps.

I'd avoid an import unless it is a specialist model - for example, my Alpina was originally a factory owned model in Germany (first registration) before being imported to Switerland.
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

Cars in Switzerland are expensive, so you can pay now (at a proper garage) or pay later (ie Auto discount whereever) but either way you are going to pay!! There are a number of ways to save money on cars, it depends weather you want new or secondhand. New go to Germany/France/Italy whatever is closer for you the Euro/CHF rate is favorable today, there are threads here explaining how to do it. Secondhand is your best bet, generally cars here have 3yrs warrenty, so buying something 2/2.5 years old will save you your 30% and you still have genuine manufacturer warrenty for 6/12 months regardless of the dodgy garage or private owner you bought it from. The Swiss people like new cars, when they get dirty or the neigbours buy a new one so shall they, so finding a good 2nd hand one is not so hard. Check www.comparis.ch it will be your saviour in many (money saving) things Swiss, welcome to CH and EF.
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

RTN and dodgyken, thanks for your tips. The cars in ADU are new and already modified to meet Switzerland's standards and registration is no problem. Still they are 10~30% cheaper than dealers. At least this is what the dealer explained and presumably since it's his job to get the car registered I shouldn't really care.

I guess what I want to know is what are the potential problems for resale or repair with cars imported from EU. I'm looking at a Mitsubishi and a Mazda and so far I couldn't find any difference between the ones from ADU and the Swiss models.

-AlefSin
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Old 11.08.2010, 23:20
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RTN and dodgyken, thanks for your tips. The cars in ADU are new and already modified to meet Switzerland's standards and registration is no problem. Still they are 10~30% cheaper than dealers. At least this is what the dealer explained and presumably since it's his job to get the car registered I shouldn't really care.

I guess what I want to know is what are the potential problems for resale or repair with cars imported from EU. I'm looking at a Mitsubishi and a Mazda and so far I couldn't find any difference between the ones from ADU and the Swiss models.

-AlefSin
There was another thread on the EF from someone who bought a 7 seater but had a 5 seater delivered because the Romanian specs were different to the Swiss . First they knew about it was when the car was delivered and they counted the seats .
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There was another thread on the EF from someone who bought a 7 seater but had a 5 seater delivered because the Romanian specs were different to the Swiss . First they knew about it was when the car was delivered and they counted the seats .
OMG! But isn't that a breach of contract?

I talked to one of these guys today and he really didn't care much. It was as if he was doing me a favor by selling the car... Anyway, the Mazda that I'm looking at is already registered in Switzerland so technically it is a used car (with 1,600 km on it!) so I'm not worried about Swiss specs or receiving a coupe instead of a 5 doors
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Old 11.08.2010, 23:34
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OMG! But isn't that a breach of contract?

I talked to one of these guys today and he really didn't care much. It was as if he was doing me a favor by selling the car... Anyway, the Mazda that I'm looking at is already registered in Switzerland so technically it is a used car (with 1,600 km on it!) so I'm not worried about Swiss specs or receiving a coupe instead of a 5 doors
Try to find out what country it came from.

I know people with German, French, and Italian imports and they are all very happy.
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OMG! But isn't that a breach of contract ?
Until you have seen the contract it is impossible to comment intelligently on your statement
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

ADU sell cars - they aren't interested in part exchange - and they know their cars are cheaply priced and look for a high turnover minimum margin. People buy there because of the price - and not the service.

Would I buy there? If they had exactly the car I wanted (which they did) and I had the cash (I didn't).
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Cars in Switzerland are expensive......
Compared to what? I find the cars in CH extremely cheap when I compare to what I should pay in DK.


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ADU sell cars......
Wrong. ADU "sells" financing !!

Their cars is just a biproduct on which they attach the main product --> financing. That is why they don't give a sh!t about you and your money if you want to buy cash.
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Compared to what? I find the cars in CH extremely cheap when I compare to what I should pay in DK.
That's only because the "well-meaning" Danish government slaps a 180% tax (IIRC) on them.

Tax on a new car in Switzerland is 7.6% VAT + 4% automobile tax.

Have you ever compared prices to the US? or pre-tax prices in most EU countries? (because that's what you pay if you export the car rightaway)
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That's only because the "well-meaning" Danish government slaps a 180% tax (IIRC) on them.

Tax on a new car in Switzerland is 7.6% VAT + 4% automobile tax.

Have you ever compared prices to the US? or pre-tax prices in most EU countries? (because that's what you pay if you export the car rightaway)
I know. I was just a bit anal as I think a statement like "cars in CH are expensive" is just as useless as "the water is cold".
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

So did you buy a car in the end??

I would be interested what you made of the service since and what are the negative points & positive of course.

I have been looking at cars for a while now and the adu seems best value for money if you can pay cash!!
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RTN and dodgyken, thanks for your tips. The cars in ADU are new and already modified to meet Switzerland's standards and registration is no problem. Still they are 10~30% cheaper than dealers. At least this is what the dealer explained and presumably since it's his job to get the car registered I shouldn't really care.

I guess what I want to know is what are the potential problems for resale or repair with cars imported from EU. I'm looking at a Mitsubishi and a Mazda and so far I couldn't find any difference between the ones from ADU and the Swiss models.

-AlefSin
There was a quote in a local newspaper a week or two ago from the Swiss Govt. "prices watchdog" who said people should buy new cars from surrounding countries because of the price difference & in this case Swiss garages are obliged to honour the manufacturers warranty.

Can't find the quote now....
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Can't find the quote now....
This one?

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Übrigens sind gemäss der Wettbewerbskommission WEKO offizielle Markenvertreter in der Schweiz zwingend verpflichtet, auch an direkt importierten Autos sämtliche gültigen Garantieleistungen auszuführen.

Direktimport mit Steuervorteil
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Direktimport mit Steuervorteil (in German)
Wow, that's very interesting. The only remaining thing to worry about is the resale value of an imported car: I'm on an L permit, thus it is likely I end up leaving Switzerland within a year. Then again, how can you be sure any used car in the market was not originally imported from another European county?

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So did you buy a car in the end??

I would be interested what you made of the service since and what are the negative points & positive of course.

I have been looking at cars for a while now and the adu seems best value for money if you can pay cash!!
I'm still undecided. I visited several other places, checked their cars and asked about their idea about ADU. The only negative remark they had was about warranty. I took it with a grain of salt though since naturally they see ADU as competition and might over emphasize any small problem. On the other hand, since they didn't have any other negative remarks about ADU, I guess this is somewhat shows ADU is not such a bad option after all... Still I need to learn about resale values before I can make a decision.
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Re: New, imported cars in auto discount Uster

I bought mine at ADU. Brand new with a big, big discount -- about 28%. Sure if you go to a dealership for service, they may give you a scowl... If something breaks, it may take a bit of effort to get the repair done.

But its resale value right now is about what I paid for it (and it has 30K on it).
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I bought mine at ADU. Brand new with a big, big discount -- about 28%. Sure if you go to a dealership for service, they may give you a scowl... If something breaks, it may take a bit of effort to get the repair done.

But its resale value right now is about what I paid for it (and it has 30K on it).

Yeah, right, try selling it !
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