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Help with questions before buying a car?

Hello:

I am thinking to buy a second hand car but I have the following questions I hope there is someone that could help me

- The car is a Volvo 440 - 2.0L with 130,000 kms, the owner told me is missing the car inspection and the emission test my question is how much I have to pay for this?

- Hom much I need to pay in order to obtain the new plates?

- Is there another cost I need to consider apart of the insurance?

I will really appreciate your help
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Old 23.08.2010, 14:35
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

that'll by why he is selling it then the mfk and emissions test arn't a lot of money, getting the car to pass them may well cost a small fortune.

how is he still driving it without the emission test?
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

As per Bigblue - Walk away - quickly!!

If you are buying a car over 10 years old - and the last MFK was over 12 months old - it will need a fresh test - and it could be expensive to pass.

I'd buy from a small mechanic garage at that price range - and accept you'll pay more for a car with a fresh service and MFK.

The 440 is crap anyway.
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

waht year is the car?

Also plates will cost here (FR) 90 chf
Then top convert your license after 1 year it was here 100chf
Then there is the roadtax per year which for my vehicle 1200 or 1800 cant remember which one is the tax and which is the insurance....

then there is the gas cost , maintenance which is fairly expensive.....
also whats the price of the car to see if it reflects the test not being included.
I found after many years of driving crap cars that it is better to dish out a little more $ in the beginning and drive with a bit of peace of mind....
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

It is 1994, the price is 1000 CHF
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

walk away. for that money there will be a lot opf issues down the line.
If that is your price class go look at old mercs . they will last forever.....
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It is 1994, the price is 1000 CHF
with no mfk or emissions he should be paying you to take it then, just like a scrap yard would charge him to take it.

of course it may fly through both with no issues, but I'd bet its a money pit. if you must buy it then get a mechanic to take a look at it first, if your around the zurich area I can give you the details of a top mechanic who speaks english.
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

or just join mobility
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

I've bought lots of 2nd hand cars in the past - it is like a lucky dip. However, if someone is offering it without certs, likelihood is it won't pass and is a lemon. From what you've written, I'd go again and shop around for something from a mechanic or with a warranty..
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

Anthony - Mercs are good - but they are not perfect. Mechanically they will last - buy seats are a weak spot - and body panels will succomb to rust.

In Switzerland - you should budget 2000-3000chf (purchase price) for a good condition cheap car - capable of giving 2 years cheap motoring until the next mfk.

At that price range I'd avoid anything not wearing a badge from:
Audi
BMW
Volvo
Mercedes
Volkswagen

Things worth considering when you buy:
1) Get a fresh service. If you are buying a car for 2-3k chf - a 600chf service is a big cost. Push for it to be a "Big one" - plugs, filters etc
2) Get fresh tyres. If they won't throw them in the price agree that you'll buy them and they will fit for free. www.Reifendirekt.ch
3) Ensure all "big ticket" items are fixed - specifically anything relating to the suspension/brakes and most importantly cambelt.
4) Coolant and hydraulic levels should be spot on.

When you take the test drive if there is a hint of smoke walk away.
If it doesn't start first time walk away.

And as mentioned - if you buying from the bargain bucket - condition and history is infiinitely more important than age and mileage
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Old 23.08.2010, 15:28
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At that price range I'd avoid anything not wearing a badge from:
Audi
BMW
Volvo
Mercedes
Volkswagen
Sorry, but I fully disagree. Even as a German, I have to admit that you will get the best in terms of "value for money plus low maintenance costs" from:
- Honda
- Toyota

Since I have not seen any somewhat attractive Toyota (since the Supra back then), I went with Hondas at the time I could not afford more. They were always cheaper to get through the TÜV, German MFK, than any Polo or run down BMW. "The Japanese will charge you like crazy for parts" is some myth from the 70s.... and you really really do not want a 440 - even an old SAAB would be far better.
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It is 1994, the price is 1000 CHF
Ask seller to pass Mfk and emmision and pay him CHF 1500 in total.

Then your maximum loss can be CHF 1500 for maybe years/month/days/hours of driving.

Can't buy much more excitement for CHF 1500 than this!!
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Old 23.08.2010, 15:32
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

My 21 year old BMW is a more comfortable long distance cruiser than my 2006 Nissan.

Japanese cars maybe cheaper to run - but stuff from the 80/90s are hateful places to be.
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Japanese cars maybe cheaper to run - but stuff from the 80/90s are hateful places to be.
Well, that is true for cars, fashion, music...
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

If your budget is CHF 1'000 I would also reccommend
Mobility, your membership costs 190 or 290 per year,

http://www.mobility.ch/de/pub/privat/angebot.htm

Then you must pay for the usage, (Km and hours used),
but everything else is included (Well not the speeding fines!)

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There are many many cars better than the Volvo 440
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There were two generations of 440\460: the 'Mark 2' replacing the original model from 1994. Changes included a new bonnet and nose, new rear light clusters, body-coloured bumpers, a different grille and numerous new options of engine, spec. level and equipment. The changes made the cars resemble the very successful Volvo 850 model more closely.An uprated 6-speaker stereo system became standard across the range, which incorporated tweeters into the uprights surrounding the windscreen.

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Old 23.08.2010, 15:42
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Well, that is true for cars, fashion, music...
The thing is a 20 year old Merc/BMW/Volvo has an interior which is still ergonomically comfortable - the seats have normally lasted pretty well - and they have enough power to keep flowing with modern traffic.

It are these small things that add to the overall ownership experience and which are worth paying for - in extra servicing costs.

However, that doesn't mean you can't find a bargain out there.
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Old 23.08.2010, 15:53
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My 21 year old BMW is a more comfortable long distance cruiser than my 2006 Nissan.

Japanese cars maybe cheaper to run - but stuff from the 80/90s are hateful places to be.
So it depends on what he will do with the car. If you just need 4 wheels and certainty it will work, buy Toyota, Honda, or even Suzuki (my first car was an old Suzuki Swift, drove it for years and spent only once money on an oil- and windscreenwiper change). For more comfort you might look at German cars like VW.
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

At this sort of money, you are just buying someone else's problems.
However, the old Toyota Corola seems to last a long time.

When you go and see a car, make sure the engine is cold when they start it up. If it's warm it could be hiding some rattles.
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Old 23.08.2010, 23:03
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Re: Help with questions before buying a car?

I rest my case in defence of Japanese 80/90 vehicles. I had loved my Toyota Corolla 1.6GLE back in SA for 5 years (carburettor model) before I parted from her. She was very obedient chick long distance and few major cheap services would serve her well. Minor once (oil change, sparkplugs, oil and fuel filters and brake pads replacement) I used to DIY.
Sometimes I miss this "scoroscoro" what my wife calls it. But here in CH I would rather opt for local manufacturers e.g. France, Germany, Sweden. I also think that and it is shared opinion by the others that buying cars form Switzerland is not a bad idea. The driving culture is more subtle on CH highways than on German autobahn's where the vehicle screams for mercy. I also heard (could be urban legend though) that Swiss get rid of the good vehicles like spoilt brats after say 5 years of exploitation to buy a new model.

BTW: I am also in process of budgeting for second hand car (inspired by being sick and tired of using my bike and public transport) in range of CHF10k to CHF15k. This time it will be German car and I consider only four major makes: Audi, BMW, Merc and VW. You can get a car cheaper than that but I would like to marry some elegance, style and quality altogether with estate at still reasonable price. Then you need to cough up a bit more my man...
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