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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

Fribourg public transport
https://www.tpf.ch/en

Bern public transport
https://www.bern.com/en/detail/public-transport

Swiss National railways
https://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html
https://www.sbb.ch/en/travelcards-and-tickets.html

At 35, you are counted as an adult. No more youth-related discounts, sorry. And too young for the old-age discounts, happily.
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

Thanks for the info,

Im getting a price for monthly pass 234 CHF. I could not find a price for a daily trip for comparison sake.

Additionally, I assume the 234 CHF cover Fribourg-Bern-Fribourg trips, correct?

Does the price also cover the transportation inside Fribourg city and Bern, or those are different expenses?
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Old 21.07.2019, 21:41
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And too young for the old-age discounts, happily.
The senior GA is wonderful. Quite the bomb.
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

2019 was a record for the SBB. Never have they been so un-punctual as in this year. Swiss punctuality is just a past memory!
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

Over 90% of all passengers arrive on time at their final destination. I doubt many transport systems in Europe come even close...
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Over 90% of all passengers arrive on time at their final destination. I doubt many transport systems in Europe come even close...
And the system here is one of the most expensive in the world. Money for nothing!


https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtsch...story/14312649
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Old 03.02.2020, 08:55
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And the system here is one of the most expensive in the world. Money for nothing!


https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtsch...story/14312649
You need to take a look at the British rail system before making assumptions. The raising costs far outway anyone else. Punctuality is none existent, trains stop running a few times without giving prior notice. Getting stranded after work is becoming the norm. And prices keep raising.
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Old 03.02.2020, 09:43
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

In absolute values, the yearly subscription for the city of Zurich is just 20% more expensive than that of Padova, Italy. If you compare to the salaries it's way cheaper.

Note that Padova has 1 tram line, the rest is a bus network where most buses run every 30' and service stops at 20:30.
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2019 was a record for the SBB. Never have they been so un-punctual as in this year. Swiss punctuality is just a past memory!
Swiss punctuality is not achieved by a few business or directors' decisions. It is a collective phenomenon. Everybody chips in. It even gets into the integration leaflets. Passengers usually tolerate the delays here knowing there are minimal and geared towards more punctuality later..

Pls, share how you contribute.
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

A GA is here a lot cheaper than in the Netherlands where people earn less, taxes are more than double and public transport sucks.

I absolutely love the Swiss public transport.
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A GA is here a lot cheaper than in the Netherlands where people earn less, taxes are more than double and public transport sucks.

I absolutely love the Swiss public transport.
The staff are so well invested in and supported here. I think that makes a difference, too.
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A GA is here a lot cheaper than in the Netherlands where people earn less, taxes are more than double and public transport sucks.

I absolutely love the Swiss public transport.
It is completely brilliant. And the one thing I really miss about CH.
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2019 was a record for the SBB. Never have they been so un-punctual as in this year. Swiss punctuality is just a past memory!
I have to admit, I am a bit spoiled from previous punctuality in CH. What it really comes down to, is what you are used to, and what you plan around: If you are used to 15 min delays, you wager that in.

If you're used to the tram coming to the stop on the minute, you plan to be at the stop ~1 minute before.

So for instance, I take the 4 tram from Altstetten. Usually the tram lines up nicely with the arriving train, and I can have a comfortable walk for a good connection.

With the construction at Altstetten, it requires a brisk walk (or run if the train is late).

But for some reason, the 4-tram drivers like to leave early. At least once a day (I travel this route 3x per day), I just miss the tram, and there's still '1 minute to departure' on the sign.

Sometimes the tram is already around the corner out of site, and the sign is still just changing from '1 min' to the 'arrival' icon.
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

In your case I am not sure they actually leave early, they have very precise timing devices onboard. IMHO it's more likely that the displays are not super precise (they are designed for arrivals, with a mixture of timetable prediction and GPS positioning).

If you have time one of these days, you could compare the outdoor display with the onboard monitor on the tram; the latter will tell you "departure in X minutes". If they differ, you'll know which one to trust
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

As a long term (25 years) long distance commuter (2h+ door to door each way) I can agree with omtatsat that 2019 was really a turning point for the worse for the SBB.

Over the years I have been used to the occasional technical delay by 15 or 20 mins every few months and even more rarely a serious delay caused by mechanical breakdown / suicide / weather incident which would happen maximum 5 or 6 times a year, which I could also accept as sh!t happens... (I am not belittling the suicides as I was twice on a train in CH when a suicide occured and it was really not pleasant, I am only sorry people choose to do it that way).

HOWEVER, specifically since September 2019 the service has gone t!ts up with at least one serious problem a week. I even started to keep an excel log of all the problems since October and I submitted it to the CFF. I received a bullsh!t response from their customer services apologising and blah blah blah.

Since the first week of January 2020 I can tell you there have been one or two serious delays or cancellations every single week!

The service is going downhill, there are not enough trained staff and they don’t have enough time to make all the necessary daily checks before the trains leave for service.
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Re: The Swiss Public Transport System

I agree that SBB is getting worse - almost every train I have caught recently (Lausanne - Geneva) has been delayed with 2 (out of a total of about 10 during the past month) cancelled completely - one whilst I was on it, causing complete chaos. The trains are also infrequent, especially during off peak hours - making them a poor alternative to driving.

I never thought I'd say this, but I think they might actually be worse than the UK .... can this actually be true - are they really that bad?
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I agree that SBB is getting worse - almost every train I have caught recently (Lausanne - Geneva) has been delayed with 2 (out of a total of about 10 during the past month) cancelled completely - one whilst I was on it, causing complete chaos. The trains are also infrequent, especially during off peak hours - making them a poor alternative to driving.

I never thought I'd say this, but I think they might actually be worse than the UK .... can this actually be true - are they really that bad?
not even close, have you taken any trains in the Uk in the last 5 years or have spoken with anyone that has taken any train in the UK during the same time period?

Public transport in the UK is a joke, a business runned by few big private players. How on earth a 1 day travelcard from Bedford to Euston costs GBP39.95?! come on now. I am paying GBP54 per month on my monthly swisspass, this includes train, bus and even freaking boat.
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