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Old 07.02.2011, 12:23
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... If I can avoid anything, it's taking BA through LHR.
I have to agree here. I will do almost anything to avoid Heathrow. full stop.

Also, in reality, the economy class in all these airlines is quite similar. While I admit to flying American-based carriers most often (due to work-related restrictions), I choose to fly American Airlines on personal flights to the US as well because I find their customer service is best. Delta is great in the air but shite on the ground, and they are not as accommodating when you are delayed (which is really when you see the best and worst of a company). United is on-time the most (at least they used to be) and the extra six inches of leg room in Economy plus for a relatively small fee is another nice benefit, but their flight attendants may be the rudest in the business (hence one of the reasons for the merger with Continental) and keeps me from flying with them regularly. Swiss gives the least amount of space but gives you one of the only options of nonstop into SFO and LAX from ZRH, which is a huge benefit.

And when you fly business class with any one of these airlines, it is a whole different (read: enjoyable) experience.

So money talks, really... and otherwise, you are looking a relatively similar experience on any airline. What matters to you when you fly will dictate your choice.
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Old 07.02.2011, 13:28
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i have flown business long haul quite often with the new cabin and in personal experience the seats are not 180 degree, they still have a slight downward angle and you end up sliding down the bed.
Huh? Are these the latest ones that came with the A330 (with 4 or 5 seats in a row, massage function, etc.) or the not so new ones on the A340 (6 in a row), the so called fully flat but at an angle? Both are newer than the lighter blue seats which simply recline on the old A330s.

If so, then I have not noticed - first time I heard that feedback on the newests ones.
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Old 07.02.2011, 14:38
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Huh? Are these the latest ones that came with the A330 (with 4 or 5 seats in a row, massage function, etc.) or the not so new ones on the A340 (6 in a row), the so called fully flat but at an angle? Both are newer than the lighter blue seats which simply recline on the old A330s.

If so, then I have not noticed - first time I heard that feedback on the newests ones.
I believe he's referring to the semi-new seats on the a340 which are indeed angled instead of full flat. i haven't flown on their new a330 yet so i can't be sure though. i find the angled flat to be a bit awkward because you feel like you're sliding down when going to sleep. i understand why they might do it (to accomodate really tall people who would have to scrunch up to fit in a full flat) but its not a good compromise solution in my opinion.
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Huh? Are these the latest ones that came with the A330 (with 4 or 5 seats in a row, massage function, etc.) or the not so new ones on the A340 (6 in a row), the so called fully flat but at an angle? Both are newer than the lighter blue seats which simply recline on the old A330s.

If so, then I have not noticed - first time I heard that feedback on the newests ones.

YES the cabin on the newer A330-300 JHA thru to JHJ, at first i thought it was just the seat I was in, as the reliability of the seats is horrendous, (dont even get me started about the tray table - what tool designed that!) and guessed one of the motors wasnt correctly set up.

I tried a different seat, same and also on a different plane, still the same.

The newer seats are a massive improvement, but they still have a very slight downward angle.
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I would choose Quantas.
Quantas' "we don't crash" safety record was always Urban Legend - the final nail in the coffin (or should one say, "747 in the golf course"?) was in 1999...









"Airspeed, altitude, and brains. Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight."
On this flight, they only had airspeed - which was all the more unfortunate because they were trying to land...


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On September 23, 1999, Qantas Flight 1 a 747-400 VH-OJH overran the runway in Bangkok. The accident occurred while landing at Bangkok, Thailand during a heavy thunderstorm. The aircraft ended up on a golf course. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau criticised numerous inadequacies in Qantas' operational and training processes.
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Is QANTAS' thing not just 'no fatalaties'?

Would be a bit much if the pilot didn't shout 'fore' though.
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Old 07.02.2011, 16:44
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I would choose Quantas.
I'd chose Qantas, as they're an actual airline.
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I'd chose Qantas, as they're an actual airline.
The fact that they don't fly to the States from Europe is probably even more significant, however
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Re: Best airline to the states?

When flying long-haul in economy I consider seat-choice to be the most vital element. I know the food will be crap, I know I'm not going to get spoilt-rotten service so I go purely for the most comfort out of a bad situation.

To this end I only fly airlines that allow you to choose seats at time of booking. I am not elite status with any so that means airlines that allow anyone to choose seats, not just those who fly with them on business 50 times a year.

This usually means American carriers - I think all offer this option free of charge. Last year though we tried Air Canada and can highly recommend them

1) Because we got to choose the seats WE wanted months in advance without charge online

2) Air Canada fly 767s and A330s from Zurich which offer groups of 2 seats alone in economy (we don't like sitting as a couple with another person so close for so long)

3) Particularly good if you are flying to a destination that is not served directly from Switzerland (i.e. if you have to change anywhere) is the fact you clear US Customs and Immigration when transferring in Toronto. This way you get all the hard work and hassle out the way several hours sooner than if you did it say at LAX. We find the queues much shorter and less stressful.

What has prevented us trying Swiss long haul in economy is the fact that you cannot choose a seat until check-in and after you have committed to the ticket purchase. I don't like rolling the dice when it comes to seats.
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Even that's another Urban Legend.

The only marketing tag they might legitimately use is
"Fly Qantas - we've not killed anyone in a jet, just yet."

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If you fly with Aerlingus, you go through American immigration at Dublin, so you can blithely breeze past the tired and huddled masses lining up at New York or Chicago at the end of your flight.

And they have scones and proper tea.

I've never flown with anyone else, mind, but since when did lack of knowledge or experience prevent anyone giving an opinion?
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Old 07.02.2011, 17:10
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The fact that they don't fly to the States from Europe is probably even more significant, however

Air New Zealand fly from Heathrow to LA. I did the route with them once. They were okay.
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And they have scones and proper tea.
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I've never flown with anyone else, mind, but since when did lack of knowledge or experience prevent anyone giving an opinion?
I believe that is mandatory
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Re: Best airline to the states?

Thanks for all the replies. Have to say I'm leaning towards choosing Swiss. Our son will be 11 when we go - the main thing is the plane MUST have back seat entertainment. I'm used to flying Singapore long haul (from the days when I lived down - under)
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the main thing is the plane MUST have back seat entertainment.


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Re: Best airline to the states?

Air Canada is really good.
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The fact that they don't fly to the States from Europe is probably even more significant, however

One World Group round the world ticket is available from Zurich for about Fr.4400. ZRH-LHR-SYD-LAX-NYC-ZRH.

Except for the first and last flights, (BA to Heathrow and American Airlines back from NY) everything is with Qantas!
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"Fly Quantas - we've not killed anyone in a jet, just yet."
<< Stomps up and down >>

It's QANTAS. It's an acronym. It's short for "Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services".

No 'u' required.

In the same way that we don't live in 'Swiss'.

<< Steps down off soapbox >>
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It's QANTAS. It's an acronym. It's short for "Quite A Nice Trip, Any Survivors?".
Apologies. Fixed it for you
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