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Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

So yet another group of tourists, this time from South Korea, found themselves coachjacked during a riot in Seine-Saint-Denis, France's poorest and most crime-ridden department. If you're booking a hotel, do make sure it's not in the 93, even if it's nice and close to the Charles-de-Gaulle airport. It really isn't worth your health and belongings.

The list of carjackings, hold ups in hotel rooms, etc just goes on and on, and the current gov aren't doing much to fix the situation. The next one probably won't either. Avoid CDG airport, avoid closeby hotels, use the TGV if you really have to go to Paris, at least you arrive in the center.
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Cone on at least provide a link to a source...
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Re: Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

Evidence is all over the Press in many countries:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ng-saint-denis

Agree with Noth re travel to Paris- much easier anytime by train, as you get into Paris itself and not have to travel to airport in CH and from airport quite a way outside Paris. We always stay in the Marais - so close to station and great for access to Paris centre.
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Re: Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

CDG was and is a nightmare, best to avoid at all times
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So yet another group of tourists, this time from South Korea, found themselves coachjacked during a riot in Seine-Saint-Denis, France's poorest and most crime-ridden department. If you're booking a hotel, do make sure it's not in the 93, even if it's nice and close to the Charles-de-Gaulle airport. It really isn't worth your health and belongings.

The list of carjackings, hold ups in hotel rooms, etc just goes on and on, and the current gov aren't doing much to fix the situation. The next one probably won't either. Avoid CDG airport, avoid closeby hotels, use the TGV if you really have to go to Paris, at least you arrive in the center.
I lived in the 93 while I was in Paris (near Bobigny - rough!), and many friends of mine who know better than to pay the ridiculous apartment prices of the 75 or 92 do, too, (Saint-Denis, Aubervilliers...) I'm disappointed that you're warning people off an entire département, as it's a huge area and not everywhere is as dangerous as you or the papers make out. I never had any problems in all the years I lived there as a 20-something girl who walked home late at night regularly. I never had any trouble on the RER filled with tourists from CDG to Paris either (or the night bus when my flight arrived late and I missed the last one.) This sort of thing happens in central Paris, too, but because it's the 93 and it's "poor", it gets reported more. Never any mention of the hotel room muggings at gun point going on in rich areas like Montmartre or the 1ème... unless you're Kim Kardashian.

Edit: The number of riots you hear going on in areas like Bobigny are kind of normal after a while if you live in Paris, but people are sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time. I used to get people messaging me asking if I was alright because they'd read something and I had actually had no idea that anything was going on.

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I lived in the 93 while I was in Paris (near Bobigny - rough!), and many friends of mine who know better than to pay the ridiculous apartment prices of the 75 or 92 do, too, (Saint-Denis, Aubervilliers...) I'm disappointed that you're warning people off an entire département, as it's a huge area and not everywhere is as dangerous as you or the papers make out. I never had any problems in all the years I lived there as a 20-something girl who walked home late at night regularly. I never had any trouble on the RER filled with tourists from CDG to Paris either (or the night bus when my flight arrived late and I missed the last one.) This sort of thing happens in central Paris, too, but because it's the 93 and it's "poor", it gets reported more. Never any mention of the hotel room muggings at gun point going on in rich areas like Montmartre or the 1ème... unless you're Kim Kardashian.

Edit: The number of riots you hear going on in areas like Bobigny are kind of normal after a while if you live in Paris, but people are sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time. I used to get people messaging me asking if I was alright because they'd read something and I had actually had no idea that anything was going on.

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Ah, the eternal meme of the poster ready to claim that nothing really ever happened whilst they lived there.

1. Riots isn't normality, no matter what kind of way you want to colour it, especially for visiting tourists coming from other continents.
2. Said tourists (and East Asians in general in the 93) are targeted specifically by the local thieves because of the belief they carry large amounts of cash (which is often the case for tourists).
3. Yes I tar an entire department, because it's always in the francophone news. The fact than the largest airport in the country is there is becoming more and more of a problem as law&order breaks down and what would be your average airport hotels in any other town seem to be nothing more than places to have your belongings stolen. The airport itself is a whole subject on it's own!
4. Don't care about Kardashian, but that was a stupid lapse of security on her party anyway.
5. I'm warning specifically TOURISTS not people who live in the 93. Got that?
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Re: Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...er_getting_my/

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That one is actually a balanced report.
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Re: Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

Paris neighborhoods are so trick. My advice: do your homework before booking a trip
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Paris neighborhoods are so trick. My advice: do your homework before booking a trip
If I were to give advice it would be don't go at all to Paris. Why not go somewhere else? In 2015 I was there every month for work, now the usually exciting, gay atmosphere is nothing but tense. There is a much higher chance also of being mugged or robbed and although Paris is a great city it doesn't do it for me at the moment.
I'd much rather be in Amsterdam, Prague or Venice than Paris.
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Re: Reminder, if travelling to Paris, don't stay in the 93 department

From a point of view of a former 'near' local (central asia & africa):
On so many occasions I had to 'save' westerners from tight grasps of local folk - instead of enjoying my own 'local company', i had to translate drunken drivel, mediate and break fights, recover stolen phones...

While i get the adventure-seeking nature of tourists, they must understand, that safety is their own responsibility.

When visiting questionable locations or less affluent countries: share a meal, stories, share a drink, shake hands, but, like in a Cinderella fairytale, pay your bill and be gone before you lose your shoe or your ride home disappears.
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