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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Hi all,


Thanks a lot for your very valuable help so far.


I'm currently looking in more detail at the best route to take to Lucca.

Using ViaMichelin, I get a driving time of 06h50m and cost (Return trip) of 367CHF for the St Bernard tunnel route.
Using the Gotthard tunnel, it's 07h10m and 313CHF..


So I can save a good 50CHF for only 20 min longer journey using the Gotthard.


We will be flexible with travelling - going out around 20th August (it's a Sunday) and stopping somewhere further north of Lucca, coming back on a weekday (probably a Tuesday). from Lucca to Neuch. Right now I'm leaning toward taking Gotthard for these reasons....but would anybody highly recommend scrapping that and going for the St Bernard option?
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

We just got back from the Lucca region on Monday. We left Fribourg just after 6 and picked my daughter up in Viareggio at 12:30, including a petrol/driver-swap stop. We went via the Gd. St Bernard and paid 46 in tolls and Sfr43.- for the tunnel return trip. Viareggio to our destination (near Gallicano) was another hour or so (we stopped off in Lucca for lunch, so difficult to gauge total driving time) and another couple of s in tolls. Traffic was pretty light, except around Genoa on the way down, leaving early Friday and returning Monday lunchtime. The return trip was a shade over 7 hrs, including a couple of coffee/petrol stops.
Unless you live in eastern/central Switzerland, I would avoid the Gotthard-Milan route like the plague, especially in the holiday season. From Neuchatel, the Gd St. Bernard is a no-brainer IMHO.
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Don't be tempted by the Gotthard route, unless you leave late evening to about 3 am, there is every possibility of a long wait at the tunnel.

Also avoid Milan like the plague, coming from the Grand St Bernard route you can drive a route west of Milan near Ivrea & Alessandria.

Milan has a "by-pass" autobahn route (with I think 5 or 6 lanes), and they are all crawling along at 30 Km/h, it can be packed solid and is most unpleasant.

Once in the Summertime I was driving in the St Bernhard tunnel completely alone, not one car in sight! It's well worth the extra CHF 50,-- !!!!

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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Milano is fine IF you pass by over lunchtime (11-15h).

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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Thankyou very much for your wisdom!

St Bernard does indeed sound like it's worth the extra 50CHF then .
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We always go via St Bernard, but over the pass and stop overnight in Etroubles so that the drive the next day is shorter. We go via centre rather than sea route- because I hate the tunnels on that route. Enjoy- we will be going in September- when the crowds are gone

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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Thanks for your post.

Regarding the St. Bernard pass, is it a nice route and does it add much time to the journey?
And more importantly... is it free?
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Well yes, it is totally free - and it is an amazing pass, with great views, flowers, wildlife, etc. But YES, it is quite a bit longer- which is why we stop in Etroubles for the night . We go to SE Tuscany, with a long windy road up to the village where we stay- not good when too tired. Lucca is just off Mway-so no worries.
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Thanks! I will consider that one, at least for the way there
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

We got back from Tuscany last week. We drove over the Gotthard pass both ways. No traffic.
We could see the standstill traffic for the tunnel as we sped past.
Milan was fine too.
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

Can I ask where the cost estimates come from? Is it based on predicted fuel costs, tolls etc? In my experience, fuel is cheaper in Switzerland than it Italy, so make sure you have a full tank before hitting the Autostrada. There are plenty of petrol stations on the way up to the St. Bernard. That should see you down to Lucca and fuel is pretty cheap again once you get off the beaten track (about 1.25 - 1.30 up in the Tuscan hillls, as opposed to ~1.70 at the motorway services).
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Re: Driving - Switzerland to Tuscany

It is based on fuel price (which you can input into the app / site), the fuel economy of the car (you can even find your car model in the database and it does the numbers), then tolls etc. (I removed the Swiss motorway charge).


Thanks for the tip, I plan to fill as close as possible to the Italian border. I also have the REKA card that I like to use for fuel, so I'll aim to find an AVIA / BP station nearby the St Bernard...
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