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Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

Hi

Am moving to Zurich to start a new job in a few weeks and once settled in am hoping to continue recreational flying, having flown spamcans in the UK for many years on an EASA PPL.

Can anyone recommend any airfields/aeroclubs within easy reach of Zurich?

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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

Zürich: https://mfgz.ch/
Birrfeld: https://www.birrfeld.ch/

Both have good variety of single engine pistons. The quality of the aircrafts is exceptional and you pay by flight time rather than Hobbs. You definitely need a few hours with instructor to get familiar (costs a fortune).
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

Thank you erchegyia.

Yes absolutely I plan familiarisation time with an instructor.

Birrfield indicate hire costs but not hourly instructor costs; I have found no prices (a/c hire or instructor) for mfgz

Do you have any idea of the prices please? (PM me of you prefer).
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Birrfield indicate hire costs but not hourly instructor costs; I have found no prices (a/c hire or instructor) for mfgz

Do you have any idea of the prices please? (PM me of you prefer).
It's a bit hidden in the aircraft details (under fleet) but available publicly: https://mfgzallink-live-d35e265fc77f...preisliste.pdf
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

I've never heard the term spamcan in relation to flying, not entirely sure what you mean, I'm picturing some ancient thing held together by gaffer tape and the grace of God...

Do you have an LAPL(A) or a PPL(A)? If you only need a refresher course you may be looking a fewer hours but the hourly rate is higher. If you still need to complete part of the training towards getting a full PPL(A), then you may be able to book a batch of lessons at more favourable hourly rate.

I couldn't find the prices for individual hours for Birrfeld but can tell you that they charge CHF 5850.- for 60 hours with an instructor (plus whatever the cost of hiring the plane and the usual taxes and duties). The advantage of Birrfeld is that it is far enough away from LSZH to not have to worry too much about other air traffic. The disadvantage is that, depending where you will actually live, getting there may involve travelling on one of the most annoying stretches of motorway in the country.

Rather than going for MFGZ, which is situated at LSZH, with all the advantages and disadvantages of being a tiny plane at the largest airport in the country, you may also consider Speck-Fehraltdorf (FGZO). It's a grass runway rather than tarmac but they are very reasonably priced (the webpage has instructors listed as charging CHF 75.- per hour, that almost seems too low, cheaper than most driving instructors!).

Other fairly close to Zurich grass runway airports are Hausen and Buttwil (I mean, that one is worth going to just for the name, right?) but they are both pretty much out in the boondocks and have shorter runways.

It's a beautiful way to spend your free time, alas, my ADD will likely not let me ever be more than a co-pilot but I've spent many happy hours being in charge of the VFR bit and first got to hold the controls when I was barely able to reach them (and only thanks to our garden cushions being used as a booster seat). The scenery in this country is absolutely fabulous to behold from above (and below) and being able to avoid the dreaded Gotthard when travelling to the South definitely has its perks!
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

I have long found it strange that in a country that is so keen on cutting pollution and noise (like banning jet-skis and snow bobs) allows private flying.

We are on the flight path for a small local aerodrome. Every weekend, small one-engined planes swan around the skies, their disagreeable drone audible for hundreds of thousands of people as they sit in their gardens, balconies, walk etc.
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I have long found it strange that in a country that is so keen on cutting pollution and noise (like banning jet-skis and snow bobs) allows private flying.
How do you expect then commercial pilots to be trained? There is (or are a few depending on the way one does the training) part(s) where practically the student doesn't fly with instructor but on his/her own, maybe taking friends and family to get experience (so called time building) between different stages/certificates. This is - from legal point of view - no different than private flying.
On top of this there are tons of restrictions based on area / noise level, etc.
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

If you don't mind the trek to Basel, I fly out of Aeroclub Du Haut Rhin just across the border in France. Its a nice, friendly club and the rates are very good e.g. Cessna 152 @ €116 hr. wet You get the added benefit of plenty of ATC practice with Basel Airport (LFSB) and lots of interesting destinations and airstrips to fly to e.g. Colmar, Strasbourg, Montbéliard, Belfort etc.. The main runway is 1000 x 20m asphalt (uncontrolled)

You just need basic French for circuits and some local airfields but obviously the bigger airports will take care of you in English.
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

Thank you erchegyia, I would never have found that price list.

Kittster, thanks. PPL(A) held many years. Training would be differences training and familiarisation with new territory and procedures. Spamcan=tongue in cheek British term referring to a generation of 50s/60s/70s American metal aircraft, typically Pipers and Cessnas, used extensively for training and recreation in the UK. Airworthy yes but interiors tatty.

Castro, thank you. I do have a soft spot for flying in France and have enjoyed wonderful experiences there, ATC in particular are a delight. Probably a bit far though, particularly as I will be relying on public transport.
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We are on the flight path for a small local aerodrome. Every weekend, small one-engined planes swan around the skies, their disagreeable drone audible for hundreds of thousands of people as they sit in their gardens, balconies, walk etc.
While others find the drone of a Lycoming O-320-E2D (or better yet, 4x Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclones) absolutely soothing.
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While others find the drone of a Lycoming O-320-E2D (or better yet, 4x Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclones) absolutely soothing.
Heck yeah. Beats the buzzsaw motorbikes any day.
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How do you expect then commercial pilots to be trained? is (or are a few depending on the way one does the training) part(s) where practically the student doesn't fly with instructor but on his/her own, maybe taking friends and family to get experience (so called time building) between different stages/certificates. This is - from legal point of view - no different than private flying.
On top of this there are tons of restrictions based on area / noise level, etc.
It's hardly people learning to fly each weekend, is it? Check the thread title. It's like saying when jet skis are banned, how do expect senior naval officers to be trained??
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Heck yeah. Beats the buzzsaw motorbikes any day.
Saws and bikes are at ground level and their sound carries a few blocks. Light aircraft at a few 1000 feet treat thousands at a time to their "buzz"...
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It's hardly people learning to fly each weekend, is it? Check the thread title. It's like saying when jet skis are banned, how do expect senior naval officers to be trained??
good that you read rest of the post too!
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It's hardly people learning to fly each weekend, is it? Check the thread title. It's like saying when jet skis are banned, how do expect senior naval officers to be trained??
https://www.baatraining.com/did-you-...d-flight-time/

Unless one is coming out of the military, pilots have to grind it out to build enough flight hours to even be considered for a commercial position. That buzzing you hear is most likely going to be your pilot some day.
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Saws and bikes are at ground level and their sound carries a few blocks. Light aircraft at a few 1000 feet treat thousands at a time to their "buzz"...
Well, that late night post was made while I was unable to go back to sleep after being woken by the noise of a bike engine being revved in our courtyard. VFR flights tend to stop when the sun goes down or the cloud ceiling won't let you maintain the minimum 1500 feet. The noise is continuous rather than explosive, the volume nowhere near as loud as with a noisy car or bike accelerating or being revved near your home. There are far fewer planes than bikes and cars and the planes are not intentionally built to be loud, on the contrary.

What I do wonder though: I live in the flight path of LSZH and knew that this would involve aviation noise most of the time. This is something that one can easily check before moving somewhere, indeed, I know some pilots that intentionally avoided moving where there were planes to be expected (kind of hypocritical, I know). So why move close to an aerodrome if the noise bothers you? Unlike churches, they are fairly easy to avoid...
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On the other hand, my sister just retired from NetJets, bought a Bonanza and moved into an airpark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepe..._State_Airport
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Any further recommendations regarding airfields/aeroclubs within easy reach of Zurich?
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Re: Recreational Flying near Zurich (PPL Pilot)

Check out albiswings.ch at private airfield Hausen am Albis located between Zurich and Zug. The airfields website is www.fgho.ch

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