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Old 28.04.2021, 12:28
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Another announcement in this morning's press conference that is relevant to this topic, it was announced that an internationally valid vaccination certificate (in digital and paper form) should be ready to be issued by the Swiss government by "the summer".
The vaccination passport would be useful today because only a few people is vaccinated. So, it's valuable to let only the vaccinated travel. But it cannot be implemented today because there cannot be 1st and 2nd class citizens.

By the summer, when theoretically most of people have been vaccinated and it becomes legally possible to produce a vaccination certificate...it will be useless since most of people is vaccinated and the contagion chains are short.

So, all the talking about the vaccine passport is more or less a solution looking for a problem. Quite probably when the solution is ready to be implemented, there will not be a problem anymore.
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Old 28.04.2021, 12:59
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The vaccination passport would be useful today because only a few people is vaccinated. So, it's valuable to let only the vaccinated travel. But it cannot be implemented today because there cannot be 1st and 2nd class citizens.

By the summer, when theoretically most of people have been vaccinated and it becomes legally possible to produce a vaccination certificate...it will be useless since most of people is vaccinated and the contagion chains are short.

So, all the talking about the vaccine passport is more or less a solution looking for a problem. Quite probably when the solution is ready to be implemented, there will not be a problem anymore.
Which is exactly as it should be!
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The vaccination passport would be useful today because only a few people is vaccinated. So, it's valuable to let only the vaccinated travel. But it cannot be implemented today because there cannot be 1st and 2nd class citizens.

By the summer, when theoretically most of people have been vaccinated and it becomes legally possible to produce a vaccination certificate...it will be useless since most of people is vaccinated and the contagion chains are short.

So, all the talking about the vaccine passport is more or less a solution looking for a problem. Quite probably when the solution is ready to be implemented, there will not be a problem anymore.
Curious to see what's going to happen this Summer, especially with kids and teenagers (no plan to get them vaccinated until later this Summer in Switzerland). Will they be able to travel? I guess with a negative Covid test like all the people who cannot be vaccinated, for one reason or another?
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Old 28.04.2021, 13:42
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Curious to see what's going to happen this Summer, especially with kids and teenagers (no plan to get them vaccinated until later this Summer in Switzerland). Will they be able to travel? I guess with a negative Covid test like all the people who cannot be vaccinated, for one reason or another?
I imagine two extreme scenarios for tourist destinations.

They go for the marketing angle to make tourists feel safe: we only let vaccinated people in. Or starvation is deadlier that covid and go for everyone is welcome. Between the extremes lots of scenarios like the one you mention based on testing.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Buoyed by things finally starting to look up for international travel, I've been looking around at different possible trips. One thing that's struck me is that the price of car rentals seems to have tripled since before the pandemic. I normally just book a car last minute as an after thought. Doesn't appear to be limited to the airport rental stations either, I wonder if the car hire companies have sold off most of their fleets and this is the result
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

yes. Rental car companies sold inventory to survive without subsidies and now are struggling to build inventory for the summer due to the chip shortage. I knew that rentals exploded in the US (+60%), i did not know it was the case in Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one is still free to fly to Spain or greece nowadays, with a PCR both ways ? I could read contradicting information about antigen tests.
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yes. Rental car companies sold inventory to survive without subsidies and now are struggling to build inventory for the summer due to the chip shortage. I knew that rentals exploded in the US (+60%), i did not know it was the case in Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one is still free to fly to Spain or greece nowadays, with a PCR both ways ? I could read contradicting information about antigen tests.
I don't know about Greece but for Spain you need a PCR test within 72 hours before entering Spain. For your return to Switzerland, you either need PCR test 72 hours before or a rapid antigen test 24 hours before entering Switzerland (either will work for boarding the plane). If you get your documents inspected upon entry into Switzerland, your PCR test will be fine but they will ask you to repeat the rapid antigen test ASAP within Switzerland. If you don't get inspected, then all is good.

These are the rules for flying. The rules are different if driving, train, biking or walking into Switzerland.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:24
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The vaccination passport would be useful today because only a few people is vaccinated. So, it's valuable to let only the vaccinated travel. But it cannot be implemented today because there cannot be 1st and 2nd class citizens.

By the summer, when theoretically most of people have been vaccinated and it becomes legally possible to produce a vaccination certificate...it will be useless since most of people is vaccinated and the contagion chains are short.

So, all the talking about the vaccine passport is more or less a solution looking for a problem. Quite probably when the solution is ready to be implemented, there will not be a problem anymore.
Unless it turns out the vaccine doesn't provide protection against one of the new variants, and then they need to start the vaccination process over again and vaccination passports already issued suddenly become worthless. This has the potential to keep on going for a very long time.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:27
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I don't know about Greece but for Spain you need a PCR test within 72 hours before entering Spain. For your return to Switzerland, you either need PCR test 72 hours before or a rapid antigen test 24 hours before entering Switzerland (either will work for boarding the plane). If you get your documents inspected upon entry into Switzerland, your PCR test will be fine but they will ask you to repeat the rapid antigen test ASAP within Switzerland. If you don't get inspected, then all is good.

These are the rules for flying. The rules are different if driving, train, biking or walking into Switzerland.
AFAIK the PCR rules for Spain are also only for air passengers. I'm not aware that a PCR test is required if you arrive by other means. And seeing the airlines have reduced their activities to near zero, almost everybody coming into Spain these days is coming by a land route.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:31
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yes. Rental car companies sold inventory to survive without subsidies and now are struggling to build inventory for the summer due to the chip shortage. I knew that rentals exploded in the US (+60%), i did not know it was the case in Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one is still free to fly to Spain or greece nowadays, with a PCR both ways ? I could read contradicting information about antigen tests.
Rates for car hire in Geneva Airport are much cheaper than normal, I had booked a car for 2 weeks from yesterday, about 2/3 of what I normally pay. That trip just got cancelled so had a quick look & the prices are still low in say 2 weeks time.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:37
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I imagine two extreme scenarios for tourist destinations.

They go for the marketing angle to make tourists feel safe: we only let vaccinated people in. Or starvation is deadlier that covid and go for everyone is welcome. Between the extremes lots of scenarios like the one you mention based on testing.
I expect that by mid to late summer the numbers of vaccinated individuals will have reached the level that herd immunity kicks in anyway so checking whether or not people are vaccinated won't be a priority for resorts any more.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:45
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yes. Rental car companies sold inventory to survive without subsidies and now are struggling to build inventory for the summer due to the chip shortage. I knew that rentals exploded in the US (+60%), i did not know it was the case in Europe.
Typically rental car companies don't sit on their fleets for very long anyway. You rarely get rental cars that are older than 6 to 9 months.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but one is still free to fly to Spain or greece nowadays, with a PCR both ways ? I could read contradicting information about antigen tests.
I went to Spain in mid March by train. It was much less stressful than flying, especially seeing the thinned out flight schedules mean many destinations are served once a week, and even then you may need multiple layovers and end up taking longer than the train.

With trains being virtually empty you can get good deals. We went in first class all the way and it was a breeze. Neither the Swiss nor the Spanish wanted to see a PCR test but the French did.
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Old 28.04.2021, 18:46
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Curious to see what's going to happen this Summer, especially with kids and teenagers (no plan to get them vaccinated until later this Summer in Switzerland). Will they be able to travel? I guess with a negative Covid test like all the people who cannot be vaccinated, for one reason or another?
Kids in Czech schools will self test a few times a week, non-medical family not in home-office do 3x antigen tests per week there now too, it's free. The medical ones have been vaxed months back.

How valid the antigen test results are, well, I think it's still better to do that than nothing. My nose feels very clean from the weird mopping.

I think frequent antigen tests plus vax later kinda covers it - neither of them is bulletproof, but Czech leadership decided for this, CH leadership decided for this..I think, it's good.
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Curious to see what's going to happen this Summer, especially with kids and teenagers (no plan to get them vaccinated until later this Summer in Switzerland). Will they be able to travel? I guess with a negative Covid test like all the people who cannot be vaccinated, for one reason or another?
Yes, there are no exceptions for children.
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Lol I just found out today that vaccine booklets are a thing here ... they asked me at the vaccine center for the “book I’ve had since I was a child with all my vaccines” & I just laughed. It is actually a pretty good idea tbh ... apparently I have to go to the pharmacy to buy one to bring to my second shot.
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Old 28.04.2021, 19:11
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I grew up with a vax book, didn't know there are places that don't have it. Interesting.
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I grew up with a vax book, didn't know there are places that don't have it. Interesting.
I, on the contrary, grew up in different places before they managed to get together and create any common format, and doctors were too scared to write or stamp anything into a document that had a different format and language than what they were used to.

The result is that I have a whole stack of incompatible bits of card and paper and nobody is any the wiser.
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I grew up with a vax book, didn't know there are places that don't have it. Interesting.
I don’t ever recall us having them in the US & I know my mom was on top of everything with stuff like that.

Fellow Americans, did we have them?
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I, on the contrary, grew up in different places before they managed to get together and create any common format, and doctors were too scared to write or stamp anything into a document that had a different format and language than what they were used to.

The result is that I have a whole stack of incompatible bits of card and paper and nobody is any the wiser.
No worries. Did you hear about the scandals in CZ and Germany over the vax people took long time ago and that actually didn't work, people only found out by getting ill now. What was it - pertussis? There was a wave of it not long ago here too. So, if one is concerned over boosters, it's better to ask for antibodies check.
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I don’t ever recall us having them in the US & I know my mom was on top of everything with stuff like that.

Fellow Americans, did we have them?
Nope. At least not when I was a child, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Those of my vintage might remember mass vaccinations in school, lining up as a class for our shots. (Polio, TB, and maybe a few others). As far as my mother can remember, there was no asking for parental approval, vaccines were mandatory. Illinois 1960s. But we got a lollipop.

But no booklet, and if there ever was a record it's loooooong gone.

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