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Thought you were planning on a trip to the UK Does that not put people at risk then
If and when we go, it will not be a holiday, but to visit the grandchildren we have not seen for 14 months. We will self drive, self cater, and keep visits to absolutel minimum. And we have no plans to go for now. Visiting our daughters and grandchildren, and stay in our own flat- will be very different to a 'holiday- and to celebrate our 50th anniversary with our daughters and GC.

The holiday planned for Italy in 2 weeks has been cancelled- we were going to self-drive, stay in rural areas and self-cater- but even then... not worth it.
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Old 17.04.2021, 22:35
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Visiting family IS a holiday.

Children and grand children are free to come HERE, no reason to ever go THERE!

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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

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Is there any reason that would be more likely than catching it from someone this afternoon in Lidl, or yesterday in the Intermarché across the border in France?

I'm assuming that mask-wearing, hand-sanitising, social distancing etc. will be at least as rigidly policed at the airport(s) as anywhere else.
I suppose it's about the same. There were fewer people on my last flight than there were in the Coop this week.
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Old 17.04.2021, 23:04
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If and when we go, it will not be a holiday, but to visit the grandchildren we have not seen for 14 months. We will self drive, self cater, and keep visits to absolutel minimum. And we have no plans to go for now. Visiting our daughters and grandchildren, and stay in our own flat- will be very different to a 'holiday- and to celebrate our 50th anniversary with our daughters and GC.

The holiday planned for Italy in 2 weeks has been cancelled- we were going to self-drive, stay in rural areas and self-cater- but even then... not worth it.
I don’t see why it matters what you call it. Holiday, family visit, duty, obligation. You’re going to see family, I assume you will enjoy it. You want to see your family, no? Not everyone can visit family, wants to visit family, and has a convenient situation. But nearly everyone needs a bit of relief from the sameness of lockdown. I hope you get to see them soon, but I also hope other people who want to travel can do so safely, and their reasons are their own.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

I live in a city with a big blue lake in the middle of it and a few rivers to float down. I have tennis courts behind my house and craploads of mountains within a couple hours to hike and mountain bike in. So, I won't be too sad if I can't go anywhere far from CH this Summer because my life already feels like I'm on a bit of a permanent holiday.

If I go anywhere it will likely be by car in late July or early August by which time I am hopefully vaccinated.

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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

I don’t think it matters what we call it travel is travel whether it’s for work, for pleasure, for visiting family, a ‘holiday’ for our mental well-being or whatever it is still travel.

Going out to the local shop for a pint of milk and a loaf of bread carries a risk, going to work on the bus or train carries a risk, sharing and office with other people carries a risk etc etc.

Are ‘holidays’ and family visits essential? Probably not but they are nice things to be able to do and with all the sanitary measures and restrictions in place at the moment it’s not going to pose any more of a risk than going and doing your weekly shop.

Any time you are with people who are not part of your household you are at risk and that’s the case wherever you are. I don’t see how ‘holidaying’ in Switzerland is any better than going elsewhere. If you’re mixing with ‘strangers’ you’re taking the risk.

We are lucky, we have the choice to go and visit our family if we want to. We have chosen not to for the moment because the logistics of it are too difficult.
We’ll wait until the ridiculous quarantine and PCR test rules for the UK have been eased. It would be much easier for the family to come here as we are isolated and have space but that’s not possible as long as the UK is on the red list (and due to the elephant in the room beginning with B).
Having said all that if we really needed to go for any reason we could just hop in the car and drive over there. Lots of people don’t even have that option.

I’m not going to judge anybody who decides they need to go away for whatever reason. It’s up to them to weigh up the risks and make their choice based on how they perceive those risks.
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Any time you are with people who are not part of your household you are at risk and that’s the case wherever you are. I don’t see how ‘holidaying’ in Switzerland is any better than going elsewhere. If you’re mixing with ‘strangers’ you’re taking the risk.
A much-needed reminder.
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Any time you are with people who are not part of your household you are at risk and that’s the case wherever you are. I don’t see how ‘holidaying’ in Switzerland is any better than going elsewhere. If you’re mixing with ‘strangers’ you’re taking the risk.
Exactly. My job (in a hotel) involves close contact with tourists/guests every day - I actually think I'm at far less risk on a socially distanced beach holiday
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We are lucky, we have the choice to go and visit our family if we want to. We have chosen not to for the moment because the logistics of it are too difficult.
We’ll wait until the ridiculous quarantine and PCR test rules for the UK have been eased. It would be much easier for the family to come here as we are isolated and have space but that’s not possible as long as the UK is on the red list (and due to the elephant in the room beginning with B).

Exactly- we have chosen not to go either - for the reasons stated. And no, going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home- is different. It certainly is to us and all we have spoken to on the matter. Which is why we have cancelled our holiday to Italy.

Family can't come here in May or June as grandkids are at school. And we would have loved to be there to celebrate our 50th WA. Totally accept this is very unlikely to happen- but sorry, very different to wanting a suntan. And to support one of our children who has recently been through an awful ordeal and trauma.

I can't even remember our wedding- so it would be nice to be there to celebrate 50 years- but hey ho. We will wait.

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Exactly- we have chosen not to go either - for the reasons stated. And no, going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home- is different. It certainly is to us and all we have spoken to on the matter. Which is why we have cancelled our holiday to Italy.

Family can't come here in May or June as grandkids are at school. And we would have loved to be there to celebrate our 50th WA. Totally accept this is very unlikely to happen- but sorry, very different to wanting a suntan. And to support one of our children who has recently been through an awful ordeal and trauma.

I can't even remember our wedding- so it would be nice to be there to celebrate 50 years- but hey ho. We will wait.
With all due respect, trying to give reason for your trip, won't change the fact that it is a nonessential travel. It's as much nonessential as going on a beach holiday. And this comes from someone that will go on a beach holiday
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I don’t see how ‘holidaying’ in Switzerland is any better than going elsewhere. If you’re mixing with ‘strangers’ you’re taking the risk.
To me holidays in Switzerland are better because in case you fell seriously ill you will be hospitalized in Swiss hospitals where your insurance will definitely work and you can expect a certain level of healthcare and comfort. Also you can break your trip and return home anytime in case of problems, you don't have to worry about having PCR test less that 48 hours before you enter some country, worry about plane tickets, borders closure, lockdown with curfew and many more other uncertainties. You just reserve hotel/apartment, pack your things, get you family into the car and go. That's all.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Not sure what the Summer will bring for masking on Spanish beaches. I thought I heard last week that masks would be compulsory in all public areas, but there is a lot of pushback. The rules seem to be evolving due to pressure from the public and the travel industry.

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Malta will be open, you will need to wear a mask on the beach, unlike in Spain where you can be mask free.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

For anyone interested I discovered this great site https://covid.observer/ which has all the statistics for every country. Including 7 & 14 day cumulative rates which is useful for seeing where countries are heading quarantine wise.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

We have just returned from Ibiza. The benefits to having an escape from this Swiss society, being around friendly people and eating good food far outweigh the hassles of mandatory testing and the potential risk of getting infected away from home.

As said above, the airports in Basel and Ibiza were essentially empty. The airplanes were, at best, 15% full. Restaurants were only open until 17:00 with significant social-distancing; and we only ate outside. Masks were worn everywhere where there were other people around. The beaches were mask-free but it wasn't really beach weather and there were no crowds. In general, everyone was much more responsible than what you see here at home.

We felt much less exposed traveling and being in Ibiza than on any day in the past year being home in Switzerland. I highly recommend getting away to recharge the batteries. It doesn't take long.
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Exactly- we have chosen not to go either - for the reasons stated. And no, going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home- is different. It certainly is to us and all we have spoken to on the matter. Which is why we have cancelled our holiday to Italy.

Family can't come here in May or June as grandkids are at school. And we would have loved to be there to celebrate our 50th WA. Totally accept this is very unlikely to happen- but sorry, very different to wanting a suntan. And to support one of our children who has recently been through an awful ordeal and trauma.

I can't even remember our wedding- so it would be nice to be there to celebrate 50 years- but hey ho. We will wait.
Really? You have no idea behind the reasons for someone wanting that „suntan“, and what else it entails. I‘m sorry you can‘t see your grandchildren or celebrate your 50th in style. You have no idea what other people have endured/are enduring during this time. Maybe you do, but I don‘t think it‘s helpful to trivialize someone‘s „suntan“.
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Exactly- we have chosen not to go either - for the reasons stated. And no, going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home- is different. It certainly is to us and all we have spoken to on the matter. Which is why we have cancelled our holiday to Italy.

Family can't come here in May or June as grandkids are at school. And we would have loved to be there to celebrate our 50th WA. Totally accept this is very unlikely to happen- but sorry, very different to wanting a suntan. And to support one of our children who has recently been through an awful ordeal and trauma.

I can't even remember our wedding- so it would be nice to be there to celebrate 50 years- but hey ho. We will wait.
The reasons for travelling are different that’s for sure but unless you’re going to teleport yourselves over there and stay cocooned in your flat without seeing anyone the whole time the risks are still there.

As I said it’s up to people to weigh up the risk versus benefits, I can imagine someone who has been working from home, cooped up in an apartment for the majority of the past six months could benefit enormously from a change of scenery and some sun. We shouldn’t underestimate the affect this pandemic has had on people’s mental health. Someone’s mental well-being is just as valid a reason for travel as your (or my) need to see our close family.
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If and when we go, it will not be a holiday, but to visit the grandchildren we have not seen for 14 months.
Thats an odd definition of not going on holiday, I suspect half the expats on the forum take a holiday to see family.
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I can imagine someone who has been working from home, cooped up in an apartment for the majority of the past six months could benefit enormously from a change of scenery.
This. It's easy for those of us who enjoy space and unlimited mountain walks, fresh air, lakes and rivers to forget that most people are holed up in not-so-lovely situations. Give them a break (even if they do sunburn easily in strange patterns).
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Absolutely and totally- no need to go abroad though, is my point.
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Not sure what the Summer will bring for masking on Spanish beaches. I thought I heard last week that masks would be compulsory in all public areas, but there is a lot of pushback. The rules seem to be evolving due to pressure from the public and the travel industry.

Stay tuned!
Spain have backed down as it's clearly not workable, the old & vulnerable should be vaccinated so we should be back to normal.
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