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Absolutely and totally- no need to go abroad though, is my point.
Since Migros & COOP do home deliveries there is no reason to leave your home, however I am sure you do.
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Absolutely and totally- no need to go abroad though, is my point.
This just doesn't wash, I'm afraid.

And no, "going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home" is very much not substantively different. It's just a question of degree, and indeed one could argue that if you think the idea of travelling abroad is a bad thing, then a trip to a high-risk country like the UK is significantly worse than a holiday to a low-risk destination.

We're off to Egypt next month, unless anything changes (and it's refundable if something does), with an overall infection rate of .21% of the population, compared with 7.4% in Switzerland and 6.5% in the UK.

So is your UK trip really more justifiable than our cheeky week in Hurghada? I can't see why it should be.
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Old 18.04.2021, 16:32
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

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This just doesn't wash, I'm afraid.

And no, "going to see your closest family, and to go to your own apartment, which is still very much your home" is very much not substantively different. It's just a question of degree, and indeed one could argue that if you think the idea of travelling abroad is a bad thing, then a trip to a high-risk country like the UK is significantly worse than a holiday to a low-risk destination.

We're off to Egypt next month, unless anything changes (and it's refundable if something does), with an overall infection rate of .21% of the population, compared with 7.4% in Switzerland and 6.5% in the UK.

So is your UK trip really more justifiable than our cheeky week in Hurghada? I can't see why it should be.
Presumably crossing the border to shop in France is far more dangerous, as rates far higher than either CH or the UK.
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Presumably crossing the border to shop in France is far more dangerous, as rates far higher than either CH or the UK.
Presumably, yes.

We also had quite a number of French skiers staying in our apartments, particularly later in the season once they realised that the French rules weren't being enforced, and sometimes I may even have come within a metre or so of one of them not wearing a mask

I don't know how we've managed to avoid infection, TBH
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I don't know how we've managed to avoid infection, TBH
You probably haven't, a high percentage of people are asymptomatic. If it's infectious as people reckon, then there is no way I haven't had it - but no symptoms so I can't be sure.
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Old 18.04.2021, 18:15
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You probably haven't, a high percentage of people are asymptomatic. If it's infectious as people reckon, then there is no way I haven't had it - but no symptoms so I can't be sure.
It's not as infectious as claimed, my wife never caught it & did not have antibodies. I personally know of 3 other couples with the same experience add to that JackieH.
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It's not as infectious as claimed, my wife never caught it & did not have antibodies. I personally know of 3 other couples with the same experience add to that JackieH.
I know of several couples in that boat too.
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Old 18.04.2021, 18:37
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Chances of not getting it when partner has it are allegedly much reduced with B117. Sounds logical, but have not seen data.

Interesting by the way that nobody talks about super spread events anymore. Is this for the same reason, generally easier and "linear" transmission of B117?

(Should probably move this to main thread; we have out of control R for Covid-threads).
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

To hug and support your own children and grand-children is not the same, especially when they have been through a really tough time recently. And I truly don't care if it 'washes' with you.

Going to Egypt, I'd be much more worried about passing it on to them. Enjoy your holiday.
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Old 18.04.2021, 19:42
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To hug and support your own children and grand-children is not the same, especially when they have been through a really tough time recently. And I truly don't care if it 'washes' with you.

Going to Egypt, I'd be much more worried about passing it on to them. Enjoy your holiday.
I thought one of you grand children was vulnerable? Sounds very irresponsible to me.
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Old 18.04.2021, 19:48
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Somewhere earlier in the pandemic, I read (maybe on the Mayo site?) that the chances of the partner/family seroconverting when one member was sick was somewhere around 52%. I've never understood this, if it's soooo transmissible. I've been working around the pharmaceutical industry since the '80s on cutting-edge science, and this is something I can't explain.
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Old 18.04.2021, 19:53
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

I travel every couple of weeks now to see hubby. I isolate before my trip, take the tests necessary, quarantine when there.

Last year we had not seen each other twice for 3 months. It had a huge impact on me mentally not being able to see him.

So yes, I take the risk. Any other trip to see my siblings and their family unfortunately will have to wait.
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I know of several couples in that boat too.
It's mind boggling to me. A friend of mine and her husband went for antibody testing last fall. She had nothing, his was off the charts. He never felt anything, not a day when he was more tired, etc. and he has no idea where he caught it since he's been working from home. Must have been a shop. But then how did she - who catches everything - not get it?

Months later he's still donating plasma because his numbers are still up there.
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Somewhere earlier in the pandemic, I read (maybe on the Mayo site?) that the chances of the partner/family seroconverting when one member was sick was somewhere around 52%. I've never understood this, if it's soooo transmissible. I've been working around the pharmaceutical industry since the '80s on cutting-edge science, and this is something I can't explain.
Well, that was exactly the strange thing here that spread occurs so asymmetrical. There were studies showing that 80% of all infected hardly transmit at all while 20% of infected are responsible for almost all transmissions. There is no basis for questioning the high natural R of the virus in general (of probably somewhere around 2-3), but the individual R is probably below 1 for most and 10 for a few.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

On topic, I don't see the need to travel. The whole testing and rules and other restrictions frankly don't make me want to travel. We live in a fantastic country and I rather stay here then and spend some time in areas I do not know yet.

But of course, all activity that creates contacts is not helpful as long as there is little immune protection. As zero contacts is impossible and not desirable, it is for each and everyone to judge. I see generally no issue as long as overall rates are similar across countries, but again I don't care for swabs in my nose and masks everywhere so I rather be in the mountains of Schwyz and Glarus.
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Not sure what you're calculating there. Active cases here according to Worldometers are around 54,000 out of a population of 8.7 million. So 0.6%. UK is 113K out of 68 million so 0.17%.

Agreed Egypt are officially lower but they have only tested less than 3% of their population so it's anyone's guess what their real rate is.

Not saying you're wrong. Just challenging the numbers you use as justification.
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Iím not going to judge anybody who decides they need to go away for whatever reason. Itís up to them to weigh up the risks and make their choice based on how they perceive those risks.
"Judge" being the operative word here. So much judgment these days about travel and getting the vaccine and which vaccine people take - notwithstanding whether one needs to wear a mask after vaccination etc... And the goalposts keep moving
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Somewhere earlier in the pandemic, I read (maybe on the Mayo site?) that the chances of the partner/family seroconverting when one member was sick was somewhere around 52%. I've never understood this, if it's soooo transmissible. I've been working around the pharmaceutical industry since the '80s on cutting-edge science, and this is something I can't explain.
Wouldn't this point to the fact that some already have an inherent immunity? Tough to calculate how many have this but like you, I know several where 1-2 in the family caught COVID and the others were unaffected.
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My personal and very simplistic view is that if you're vaccinated, you should be allowed to travel. However, I realize there's still a small percentage that an immunized person can still catch the virus and be contagious. Nevertheless, the odds of this are low
Is there any evidence to support this?
I would have thought the chances of getting it from someone with a negative PCR test would be lower than someone vaccinated but not tested, but I have no evidence for that either.
I also don't know what the spread rate would be for people wearing masks properly, following hygiene rules and social distancing, even if some were covid positive.

You should think of vaccinations as protecting you, not necessarily protecting others.
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Re: Holidays abroad during Covid

Thereís some data regarding after vaccination infections here: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ccine/2478894/
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