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Your statement in bold is quite frustrating ...

The vaccines are very effective, enough people simply haven't been vaccinated yet in Switzerland ... which is why we need to encourage as many people as possible to take it now that appointments are opening up.

The Indian variant is spreading among the Asian community in the UK because many of them are not vaccinated, here's some more info on that:

https://youtu.be/FVpaCyO8f5o
Suzie, up until very recently I lived in the UK (in-fact, this latest quarantine inclusion is pushing back my first day at work in Switzerland by a week).

As someone with a wide group of friends under the age of 40, I feel that I have a pretty good idea of how they are feeling considering vaccine take up. I'm not anti-vax by any means but I completely understand their frustration.

Whilst I agree that the spread of the Indian variant is high in places traditionally associated with high ethnic minority communities, it's no secret that vaccine take up has been low (due to beliefs etc.). It is also becoming prevalent in areas where the population is over 90% white British, the south east particularly (outside of London). 75% of new cases across the UK are now considered to be the Indian variant.

So I go back to my original point. Keeping in mind that there is low confidence that the vaccine stops transmission, doesn't negate quarantine or travel restrictions and has a very low risk of making you very ill, where is the motivation for under 40's? Are they expected to overcome the stigma of a rushed vaccine and scare stories in order to do their civic duty? What's frustrating is the expectation that they should, without fully understanding why they don't want to.

Edit 1 - For full disclosure, I'm feeling very salty right now. I'm not at risk but I've had my vaccinations - yet here I am facing 10 days quarantine.

Edit 2 - I never said the vaccines aren't effective, I said they aren't effective to return life to semi-normality. What's to stop another big-bad variant raising its head in 6 months once all of the vulnerable have been jabbed in Switzerland, which then restricts travel or movement - its frustrating and undermining.

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Old 28.05.2021, 12:10
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So I guess we should just close borders and shut everything down forever ... studies have clearly shown that vaccinations hinder the spread of the virus and are strong against all current variants. This is just getting to be ridiculous ...

I have some close friends visiting their families in the UK right now and they feel a lot safer there than in Switzerland. They have their vaccines booked in Zurich in a couple of weeks and it seems they won't even be allowed to go to their appointments now.
I cannot understand why anyone would travel to the UK without being fully vaccinated and also why they would feel safer there than in Switzerland.

But I guess it‘s all a matter of personal interpretation of the situation, which can be very different from reality...
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I cannot understand why anyone would travel to the UK without being fully vaccinated and also why they would feel safer there than in Switzerland.

But I guess it‘s all a matter of personal interpretation of the situation, which can be very different from reality...
UK rates are far lower than in Switzerland.

Some people need to return from the UK to Switzerland and have not had the chance to be vaccinated yet through no fault of their own (eg I wanted to nip and see family this weekend but won't be fully vaxed until July - luckily I didn't go.)
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Suzie, up until very recently I lived in the UK (in-fact, this latest quarantine inclusion is pushing back my first day at work in Switzerland by a week).

As someone with a wide group of friends under the age of 40, I feel that I have a pretty good idea of how they are feeling considering vaccine take up. I'm not anti-vax by any means but I completely understand their frustration.

Whilst I agree that the spread of the Indian variant is high in places traditionally associated with high ethnic minority communities, it's no secret that vaccine take up has been low (due to beliefs etc.). It is also becoming prevalent in areas where the population is over 90% white British, the south east particularly (outside of London). 75% of new cases across the UK are now considered to be the Indian variant.

So I go back to my original point. Keeping in mind that there is low confidence that the vaccine stops transmission, doesn't negate quarantine or travel restrictions and has a very low risk of making you very ill, where is the motivation for under 40's? Are they expected to overcome the stigma of a rushed vaccine and scare stories in order to do their civic duty? What's frustrating is the expectation that they should, without fully understanding why they don't want to.

Edit 1 - For full disclosure, I'm feeling very salty right now. I'm not at risk but I've had my vaccinations - yet here I am facing 10 days quarantine.

Edit 2 - I never said the vaccines aren't effective, I said they aren't effective to return life to semi-normality. What's to stop another big-bad variant raising its head in 6 months once all of the vulnerable have been jabbed in Switzerland, which then restricts travel or movement - its frustrating and undermining.
I don't blame you for feeling salty, I would too and kind of do ... I'm so sick of it all.

Under 40's in the UK are receiving the mRNA vaccines correct? They are not rushed vaccines and were in research with the flu virus decades before COVID-19 came into our lives. Why is there low confidence? Perhaps the government needs to focus on educating their population better about the vaccine? And what is to stop another bad variant? A vaccinated population that has developed herd immunity ... the reasons why travel is still being restricted due to Covid-19 is simply because what I said earlier, not enough people are vaccinated. Travel restrictions, measures etc are exactly the reason why people should be motivated to take it... to get back to life and normality.

Hope you can get back into the office soon! Take care
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I cannot understand why anyone would travel to the UK without being fully vaccinated and also why they would feel safer there than in Switzerland.

But I guess it‘s all a matter of personal interpretation of the situation, which can be very different from reality...
They had legitimate reasons that they had pushed off for over a year ... also young and healthy & their families are all vaccinated.

I'm not sure why they feel safer other than what they have told me - considering their country has been mainly shuttered far more strictly than here until now, I can understand why. Also, their vaccination rates are quite high.
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Re: Quarantine for Returning UK Travellers

Personally, I would not go to the UK unless I was fully vaccinated myself, and all the people I want to visit, very close family and friends, are also vaccinated.

Would never forgive myself if a relative or friend caught Covid and got into serious health trouble and worse, after I visited them. Event though we are all vaccinated, we will self isolate on our own, in our own flat, before meeting. And really prefer to drive rather than fly- much safer that way.
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Old 28.05.2021, 12:49
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Personally, I would not go to the UK unless I was fully vaccinated myself, and all the people I want to visit, very close family and friends, are also vaccinated.

Would never forgive myself if a relative or friend caught Covid and got into serious health trouble and worse, after I visited them. Event though we are all vaccinated, we will self isolate on our own, in our own flat, before meeting. And really prefer to drive rather than fly- much safer that way.
The no of transmissions on a plane are very low, minute risk due to the air management system.
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Re: Quarantine for Returning UK Travellers

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you picking up the Indian variant and bringing it back to Switzerland. All it means is that you're unlikely to become seriously ill.
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Your statement in bold is quite frustrating ...

The vaccines are very effective, enough people simply haven't been vaccinated yet in Switzerland ... which is why we need to encourage as many people as possible to take it now that appointments are opening up.

The Indian variant is spreading among the Asian community in the UK because many of them are not vaccinated, here's some more info on that:

https://youtu.be/FVpaCyO8f5o
And also much higher in the younger cohort, mostly those ‘too young’ to be vaccinated. With the 12 week between the two doses and 2 weeks to take effect we need to look at who was eligible to be vaccinated 14 weeks plus ago. Which was mostly only over 50’s, some places still older, I think.

Don’t get me wrong, that the UK only put India on the Red List last month, allowing people to quarantine at home, in overcrowded housing where people have jobs/school that means they have to leave home was a big factor, but it looks like the infected people are mostly aged 12-40 which couldn’t/sill can’t have vaccines, rather than not wanting to because of religious/cultural/legal reasons.
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Being vaccinated doesn't stop you picking up the Indian variant and bringing it back to Switzerland. All it means is that you're unlikely to become seriously ill.
Of course, hence PCR test, quarantine and re-test.
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The no of transmissions on a plane are very low, minute risk due to the air management system.
But still very different to travelling in your own car, home to home, and being in your own car for the Tunnel - and no contact with anyone, unlike on a plane, and more importanty at the airport both ways.
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But still very different to travelling in your own car, home to home, and being in your own car for the Tunnel - and no contact with anyone, unlike on a plane, and more importanty at the airport both ways.
I suspect the risk of the tunnel is quite high relative to flying. Airports have been deserted every time I have flown in last 12 months. Going to a supermarket is far more dangerous, thats without going abroad to shop!
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I suspect the risk of the tunnel is quite high relative to flying. Airports have been deserted every time I have flown in last 12 months.
30 minutes in your own car. Recirculate air if really worried.
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Checkin desk, security check, 1hr 30min on a plane then 3 hours at Heathrow...
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30 minutes in your own car. Recirculate air if really worried.
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Checkin desk, security check, 1hr 30min on a plane then 3 hours at Heathrow...
Deserted check in, deserted security, empty plane & no passport control, but then I stay in Schengen most of the time. Doing a day trip to London end of next week, I wonder if my experience will be different.
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Re: Quarantine for Returning UK Travellers

Any form of travel is a risk but then so are every day activities like going to the supermarket or having a coffee with a friend. We just have to decide whether we’re willing to take those risks and everyone has their own perception of what constitutes a risk to them.

Stopping for a pee anywhere in France would seem like the biggest risk to me given the state of most French toilets.
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Well yes, but at my age, lol, can't do trip 8hrs + 2 on UK side, in one go.

So 'gel, pee, wash hands, own clean towel to dry, gel again'
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Well yes, but at my age, lol, can't do trip 8hrs + 2 on UK side, in one go.

So 'gel, pee, wash hands, own clean towel to dry, gel again'
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The vaccines are very effective
Have we been through a full flu/sars season with everyone vaccinated? That would be my test of that.
Cases dropped in May last year too. Nobody was vaccinated then. I guess the doubts remain (and subsequent confusion) because it's not been tested long term.
We've got the Thai variant now anyway.
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I don't blame you for feeling salty, I would too and kind of do ... I'm so sick of it all.

Under 40's in the UK are receiving the mRNA vaccines correct? They are not rushed vaccines and were in research with the flu virus decades before COVID-19 came into our lives. Why is there low confidence? Perhaps the government needs to focus on educating their population better about the vaccine? And what is to stop another bad variant? A vaccinated population that has developed herd immunity ... the reasons why travel is still being restricted due to Covid-19 is simply because what I said earlier, not enough people are vaccinated. Travel restrictions, measures etc are exactly the reason why people should be motivated to take it... to get back to life and normality.

Hope you can get back into the office soon! Take care
Yep, under 40's are now receiving mRNA vaccines. I used to work for Novartis so I probably have a little more knowledge than most regarding pharmaceutical development but there has been quite a lot of damage done as a result of the Astrazeneca blood clots (although they are rare!) and there is a general consensus that any vaccine developed that quickly can't be safe (I know, this is where the governments should be targeting advertisement, not scaring us witless with campaigns such as 'don't hug your grandma, you could kill her' - yes really).

It's screwed me up because I have children in the UK which I care for and spend time with every other weekend. This will really throw a spanner in the works, unless my employer is willing to let me work from home (quarantine) every other week until the UK is removed from the list!
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