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I would like to learn from your logic ....

Is it because 3rd world variants will likely continue to become, as part of natural evolution, more contagious and learn to evade vaccines and will likely circulate around the world?

So then, just as the couple of weeks June 2020 immediately following the first lockdown was actually one of the safest times in Switzerland, the upcoming time immediately after mass vaccinations in the west, before 3rd world variants continue and vaccines are the most tailored to the current variants, may end up being one of the safest times to travel for the next few years?

Or is yours a completely different logic?

Little bit of chrystal ball guessing, but thanks in advance for sharing your thinking .....
Well, at best it's going to be 18 months minimum before the world is vaccinated, during all that period there is a chance of a new variant. In the real world it'll probably be a long time after that as it will likely linger in certain places - warzones, places with a lot of antivaxxers etc.)

If you are traveling for a fortnight or less you are really very unlikely to be in the place where a new variant is emerging, given it will start with low numbers you would be unlikely to encounter it, and if you did encounter it your chances of getting seriously ill after vaccination are low. Basically it's less risky than things most of us do routinely. If I was 80 I might still be careful for a few more months, but I'm not. I think by not getting infected and getting the vaccine I've done my bit.
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Old 06.06.2021, 17:11
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

I would just follow the official guidance, that will dictate where you can travel to and what the cost will be e.g. 2 x quarantine, several PCR tests etc..
I wouldn't bother trying to be holier than the Pope, the restrictions are stringent enough as they are and the travel industry is already on its knees.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

At the end of the day, you could catch the Indian variant in Switzerland and die. You could get hit by a bus in Zürich and die. If you've been fully vaccinated and choose your travel destination with a bit of common sense then you are no more risk than staying here.
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Old 06.06.2021, 17:43
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I realized the perspective of this thread is probably strongly affected by a statistical bias...
Every decision we make is based on our own experiences + those of people we know. Your apprehension is understandable given the stories you know, particularly of young people in your circle. Others on EF have shared similar stories of people they know having long Covid or even dying from it.

It is a calculated risk to travel, but remember: Not everyone catches Covid. Not everyone who does gets seriously ill or dies. Some do, even younger people. That sucks. You're fully vaccinated, so you're arguably "safer" from serious illness than someone who is not vaccinated.

In my air travels, people have been respectful of the rules. They've all presented negative tests before traveling, maintained distance, and worn masks. I've not gotten sick. No one I know from those travels has gotten sick. No one who knows the people I visited has gotten sick.

It's normal to be a bit cautious. Since you are fully vaccinated though, my personal opinion is that you can relax a bit. It's okay for you to travel, so long as you consider where you're going and follow all the rules.
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Old 06.06.2021, 19:45
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

We went this afternoon to Italy for a few hours to visit my wife's cousin (and order some EVO, 30 liters only this time).

The new 24 hour rule works most of the time for us, and my wife knows where to get free tests if she or I want to stay longer.

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Old 06.06.2021, 21:24
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Might want to wait for the United Boom.

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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Our US vacation in July, which we booked pre-Covid, will probably not happen so we've booked Mallorca instead. Not vaccinated, tests will suffice.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Anyone who knows me on this forum is aware that I have basically shut myself in since Covid-19 arrived. It was important to do so for my health and for the health of others ... but I simply cannot live like this anymore and neither can my career (have been asked to return to office officially today).

We have vaccines that we know will protect us from all current variants, we empathize and offer support to those around the world who are currently still suffering. Don't be irresponsible, but please start living your life again and stop with all the "what ifs" or you will simply go mad with worry.
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Old 07.06.2021, 10:25
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Personal responsibility and personal decisions.

I've met at least one person with a parent with a neurodegenerative disease. So, travel last year or never see that person again.

Business cannot stop. Sales people have started to travel again. Work from home is fun when you're completing contracts acquired on 2019/2020. But, when those contracts end? What next?

At the same time, great uncertainty in air travel, lots of cancelled or rescheduled flights. We are far from the times of I fly Monday morning back and I'm the office at 10h00 (2 hour flights). If someone cannot afford getting stuck 24-48 hours, better not fly.

It may also be possible that there's no reason to travel, mind covid19.
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Personal responsibility and personal decisions.

I've met at least one person with a parent with a neurodegenerative disease. So, travel last year or never see that person again.
My mother had motor neurone disease. Had she still been alive there would have been no way I would have not travelled to visit her, Covid or no Covid.

As it was there was no actual need for us to travel to the UK during the past year.

Sure, it would have been nice to see all the family face to face rather than on screens and our daughter in law would have appreciated our help with the other kids when their twins were born but the logistics of going at that time with all the quarantine etc would have actually made it more difficult for them so we chose not to go.

In my opinion it is up to each person to weigh up the risk versus benefit and make their decisions accordingly.
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Old 07.06.2021, 11:55
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In my air travels, people have been respectful of the rules. They've all presented negative tests before traveling, maintained distance, and worn masks. I've not gotten sick. No one I know from those travels has gotten sick. No one who knows the people I visited has gotten sick.
With the caveat of course that this is my personal perspective based on possibly anecdotal evidence.

But I was at the Swiss office not very long ago to cancel / rebook some flights I booked a long time ago. There was nothing else going on and the lady at the desk was in a chatty mood. She told me that very many of her colleagues who were cabin staff had been infected with Covid at some point in the last year or so and some were still infected now. She said she thought that it would be impossible to go back to the full timetable immediately due to lack of staff.

So that would seem to contradict the notion that nobody is being infected on board of planes or in airports.
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Our US vacation in July, which we booked pre-Covid, will probably not happen so we've booked Mallorca instead.

Curious .... what made you decide not to go to the US this July?


I do like discussing and find it interesting to hear everyone's thinking .... helps me hear stuff I wouldn't have considered and develop my own thinking.
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Curious .... what made you decide not to go to the US this July?


I do like discussing and find it interesting to hear everyone's thinking .... helps me hear stuff I wouldn't have considered and develop my own thinking.
US borders have been closed for Europe etc. since March 2020. Reopening the borders might or might not be discussed at the G7, but whether anything will change in time for my vacation is currently unknown. The US does not seem to be in a hurry, regardless of all the pressure it's getting from airline CEO's etc. Even if they reopen, what would that mean? Only for vaccinated travellers? And what about the mask guidelines? Currently, it would mean my 2 year old son would have to wear a mask during the flight.
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US borders have been closed for Europe etc. since March 2020. Reopening the borders might or might not be discussed at the G7, but whether anything will change in time for my vacation is currently unknown. The US does not seem to be in a hurry, regardless of all the pressure it's getting from airline CEO's etc. Even if they reopen, what would that mean? Only for vaccinated travellers? And what about the mask guidelines? Currently, it would mean my 2 year old son would have to wear a mask during the flight.
I (American) went to the US with my husband (Swiss) in December/January and we are going again this summer. I totally understand not wanting your son to have to wear a mask the whole time. However it was quite easy, if annoying (presenting all the paperwork at every checkpoint) both to go to the US and to get back into CH and we expect similar results this summer, with the addition of mandatory testing on both ends.
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US borders have been closed for Europe etc. since March 2020. Reopening the borders might or might not be discussed at the G7, but whether anything will change in time for my vacation is currently unknown. The US does not seem to be in a hurry, regardless of all the pressure it's getting from airline CEO's etc. Even if they reopen, what would that mean? Only for vaccinated travellers? And what about the mask guidelines? Currently, it would mean my 2 year old son would have to wear a mask during the flight.
My daughter isn't far off 2 (she's 20 months), and would have absolutely no understanding what the mask is for and would rip it off her face. It's far too young.
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With the caveat of course that this is my personal perspective based on possibly anecdotal evidence.

But I was at the Swiss office not very long ago to cancel / rebook some flights I booked a long time ago. There was nothing else going on and the lady at the desk was in a chatty mood. She told me that very many of her colleagues who were cabin staff had been infected with Covid at some point in the last year or so and some were still infected now. She said she thought that it would be impossible to go back to the full timetable immediately due to lack of staff.

So that would seem to contradict the notion that nobody is being infected on board of planes or in airports.
Just my opinion, but I think it's partly a matter of odds based on continued exposure. As a passenger, I "only" took 4 flights this past month. The flights were less than 1/3 full and I was in contact with very few people for any length of time.

Compare/contrast that with how many flights the attendants and pilots made in the same timeframe. They have to do briefings, etc. with other staff who have also been traveling all over the world. Even the desk agents are exposed to far more people and objects in one day than I was for any given flight.
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US borders have been closed for Europe etc. since March 2020.

Sorry to be obtuse ....

Embarrassed to ask this question ....

Can anyone confirm that it is still definitely the case that as things stand right at this moment (subject to change) a Swiss Citizen, fully vaccinated, didn't have covid, has 3 day before travel negative pcr test, will not currently be admitted in the US and can not fly directly from CH into the US ?

I won't hold anyone to this, and do my own double checking ..... but is this the basic understanding?

I vaguely thought the US eased last March's travel ban for Europe.

I've been scouring the websites of the US Embassy, Swiss Airlines, CDC, Swiss governments and they say things like must have tests before and after, must wear mask but I can't see where they spell out "Swiss/Schengen/European-only passport holders will not be admitted".

Perhaps the Swiss-only-passport holders I know of who have been admitted were married to US passport holders, and this gave me the wrong impression.

Thanks again for clarifying your understanding of the situation.

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Sorry to be obtuse ....

Embarrassed to ask this question ....

Can anyone confirm that it is still definitely the case that as things stand right at this moment (subject to change) a Swiss Citizen, fully vaccinated, didn't have covid, has 3 day before travel negative pcr test, will not currently be admitted in the US and can not fly directly from CH into the US ?

I won't hold anyone to this, and do my own double checking ..... but is this the basic understanding?

I vaguely thought the US eased last March's travel ban for Europe.

I've been scouring the websites of the US Embassy, Swiss Airlines, CDC, Swiss governments and they say things like must have tests before and after, must wear mask but I can't see where they spell out "Swiss/Schengen/European-only passport holders will not be admitted".

Perhaps the Swiss-only-passport holders I know of who have been admitted were married to US passport holders, and this gave me the wrong impression.

Thanks again for clarifying your understanding of the situation.

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yes. Swiss people cannot enter the US at the moment if it is for tourism. https://en.usvisaservice.de/us-visa/...est-exception/
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

It is going to be very expensive and a total pain. Test before we go (both vaccinated too), drive through France, straight to our apartment, isolate, tests on day 2 and 5 and 8- then take great care what we do and who we meet- then on to both daughters and grandchildren- and then test again, drive in one go, and isolate again here. A total and massive pain in the bum! But I can't wait anymore.

And yet we see friends and acquintances off to exotic places all around the world, to places which are far more dangerous- and nothing, no isolation, no nothing. Not vaccinated either. From South America to North AFrica, Domenican Republic, and more. Makes my blood boil ...


but I shall see and hug my daughters and grandchildren, and will be there for their 12th and 15th birthdays - nothing else matters.
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It is going to be very expensive and a total pain. Test before we go (both vaccinated too), drive through France, straight to our apartment, isolate, tests on day 2 and 5 and 8- then take great care what we do and who we meet- then on to both daughters and grandchildren- and then test again, drive in one go, and isolate again here. A total and massive pain in the bum! But I can't wait anymore.

And yet we see friends and acquintances off to exotic places all around the world, to places which are far more dangerous- and nothing, no isolation, no nothing. Not vaccinated either. From South America to North AFrica, and more. Makes my blood boil ...


but I shall see and hug my daughters and grandchildren, and will be there for their 12th and 15th birthdays - nothing else matters.
Whilst I completely agree with this entire post - you groaned me for suggesting that people could (not even should!) travel indirectly from the UK to Switzerland - exactly what you are doing (save the indirect bit)!!!!
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