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When do think is acceptable to travel?

I have been fully vaccinated now for a month and I am not sure if it is right to think about traveling sometime in July?

When do you think is the right time to travel?
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

To WHERE?

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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

acceptable for whom? everyone is traveling again it seems to me and some never really stopped.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Depends on where ... of course avoid hot spots, but please travel and start enjoying life again! We are off to Rome ... should be special without all the mass tourism.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

*Waves* from Crete.

Not vaccinated yet, but PCR tests suffice.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

My current rule of thumb is that over the next six months I will not go anywhere that I wouldn't want to be instantly fighting for my life on my own in their local intensive care units, despite being fully vaccinated.

Unless travel is critical, I will try to mainly roam within a 6-8 hour overland drive radius of my home country, not having to pass through many borders.

This is based on thinking such as:

It is currently more likely that unusually serious disease with little medical resources could come on suddenly and unexpectedly.

It's possible that I will not be let back on a plane and repatriation while feeling seriously frail could be fraught.

I will not have as many people locally fighting for me while I'm incapable if the locals are also suddenly clamoring for care and completing for dwindling resources of an unexpected surge in a place where they will have much more local knowledge and connections than I.

My traveling companions (or anyone locally who could fight for me) could also be incapacitated in the intensive care room next to me. (Especially common if you are traveling closely together).

Cases of "fully vaccinated plus 2-4 weeks" people who have died of Indian variant are not common but fully documented and happening. New, more serious 3rd world variants are emerging, expected, spreading and need more time to observe.

For at least the next six months I want to see with my own eyes how the scene plays out in reality with variants vs vaccines, rather than base decisions on other's well-intentioned but hypothesized theories. This is an unprecedented situation playing out in real time .... No one, not even Fauci, really has real world based historical experience and understanding of the current situation.

I have seen with my own eyes what medical care really looks like up close in many parts of the world in the best of times.

Even if I am asymptomatic and fine, 20% of cases suffer long covid ongoing symptoms of lung scaring, brain fog, heart damage, intense fatigue, on and on, and some of this damage could be permanent.

When viewed in the scope of my lifespan, there is plenty of fulfilling ways I can more than satisfy whatever I need within a closer radius of home (or places I have loads of resources that will really deliver) for the next year.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Agree with others - it depends where you want to go, what you want/plan to do, and how risk-averse you are.

Since January of 2020 when the first inklings of Covid appeared, I have flown probably 50,000 miles. I'm not jetting about to exotic holidays. That's what it takes to see family when you are spread across multiple continents and they need you.

In all cases I followed the laws and recommendations, had all required testing, and mostly isolated with relatives on visits.

Would I go party in Mallorca right now? No. Would I fly to see my mother again? Yes, without any hesitation whatsoever.

And I'm not vaccinated yet. Bern's vaccination rollout largely sucks. But that's a topic for another thread.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Exactly- who, where???
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When ever you want. I've already been to Mexico
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

I am taking 2 x 3 hour flights tomorrow assuming my PCR comes back negative in the next hour or so, I last flew in February, last year in December, September, July & March. This is far less than normal but absolutely no reason to stay at home & wait to die of something else like cancer which is the most common reason for death.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

When we get vaccinated next week and week after, we will start traveling again. I wished to go for a month long holidays but starting my new 2.5 month long contract already in July 2021. But yes, if one feels in spirits to travel, then there is no need to stay in one place.
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I have been fully vaccinated now for a month and I am not sure if it is right to think about traveling sometime in July?

When do you think is the right time to travel?
Tomorrow, from 08.00...
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

I realized the perspective of this thread is probably strongly affected by a statistical bias.

People who come from the perspective of currently seriously suffering from Covid aren't as likely to be chatting in online forums right now.

My friend who was asymptomatic and has now been suffering from long covid for seven months now, with no end in sight, does not have the time, energy, or wherewithal, to chat online. He was young, healthy and as cautious as anybody I know. Now since Christmas he barely has the energy to even sit upright on the couch. He is trying to keep his job while sleeping 16 hours a day, feels like he constantly has a brick on chest, must do lots of lung exercises each day, neuropathy in his feet affects walking, brain fog, and the list goes on.

Similarly, currently many of the Indian community in Zurich are not giving their perspectives on Covid travel on EF. Many of them spend all their time off work making phone calls to whatever connections they can dream up back home to get their sick or dying relatives the emergency treatment they need.

Sorry to get intense but then there are also people like a young Indian coworker in his 20s who traveled from ZH to India for family when he thought it was finally safe because the numbers were low a few months ago, caught Covid and didn't make it.

People who are no longer around, are grieving, are currently very sick, are struggling to rebound, etc don't have the bandwidth to tell their stories in a chat thread.

It reminds me of when Covid first started and it looked like all of Zurich was out in restaurants, shops, parks, etc and made one feel unusual for being cautious. Then someone reminded me that this perspective is skewed by the people we see outside in front of our eyes. We're not seeing all the people out of view, quiet, at home and cautious.

So, it genuinely is truly wonderful that so many people are strong, healthy and optimistic and ready to embrace life fully all they can again.

Also, ask yourself who isn't present in this conversation to offer their experience and perspective on these discussions.
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I realized the perspective of this thread is probably strongly affected by a statistical bias.

People who come from the perspective of currently seriously suffering from Covid aren't as likely to be chatting in online forums right now.

My friend who was asymptomatic and has now been suffering from long covid for seven months now, with no end in sight, does not have the time, energy, or wherewithal, to chat online. He was young, healthy and as cautious as anybody I know. Now since Christmas he barely has the energy to even sit upright on the couch. He is trying to keep his job while sleeping 16 hours a day, feels like he constantly has a brick on chest, must do lots of lung exercises each day, neuropathy in his feet affects walking, brain fog, and the list goes on.

Similarly, currently many of the Indian community in Zurich are not giving their perspectives on Covid travel on EF. Many of them spend all their time off work making phone calls to whatever connections they can dream up back home to get their sick or dying relatives the emergency treatment they need.

Sorry to get intense but then there are also people like a young Indian coworker in his 20s who traveled from ZH to India for family when he thought it was finally safe because the numbers were low a few months ago, caught Covid and didn't make it.

People who are no longer around, are grieving, are currently very sick, are struggling to rebound, etc don't have the bandwidth to tell their stories in a chat thread.

It reminds me of when Covid first started and it looked like all of Zurich was out in restaurants, shops, parks, etc and made one feel unusual for being cautious. Then someone reminded me that this perspective is skewed by the people we see outside in front of our eyes. We're not seeing all the people out of view, quiet, at home and cautious.

So, it genuinely is truly wonderful that so many people are strong, healthy and optimistic and ready to embrace life fully all they can again.

Also, ask yourself who isn't present in this conversation to offer their experience and perspective on these discussions.
I appreciate what you wrote and feel intensely for those you mentioned in your post. I really wish for society to find an efficient and speedy recovery.

I also feel for those who responsibly halted their lives and couldn't recharge, ran on empty tank for a year, vaxed and still feel apprehensive. We rarely get those voices here either, of those struggling with anxiety, cabin fever and longing to have a piece of their old self back. If they feel like travelling - I will understand, too. We only have one health..That includes mental health as well. Needing to reconnect with families, help out, repair the loss. Hope they don't risk much. Safe travels, OP.
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

The problems are the restrictions of the countries, even when you are fully vaccinated, which denied entry for most of the countries overseas.
You need a National interest excepion for the us to enter the us directly.
Or you have make a 2 weeks stay in mexico or dubai before heading to the us.
Thats not possible for most employees here in switzerland , to get that much holiday at once.
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I also feel for those who responsibly halted their lives and couldn't recharge, ran on empty tank for a year, vaxed and still feel apprehensive. We rarely get those voices here either, of those struggling with anxiety, cabin fever and longing to have a piece of their old self back. If they feel like travelling - I will understand, too. We only have one health..That includes mental health as well. Needing to reconnect with families, help out, repair the loss. Hope they don't risk much. Safe travels, OP.

Well said.

I'm all for being positive and optimistic but I feel like stating the obvious .... sucks that we have to weigh these kinds of decisions in the first place.
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If they feel like travelling - I will understand, too. We only have one health.

I am a super "live and let live" kind of person.

I am an incredible rebel, big into personal freedoms and strong belief in the strength of diverse approaches.

The problem with this whole situation is that we are all so intensely interconnected at a survival, or long-term-serious-damage, level.

What some people decide to do for a short term gain can effect so many others in such a serious long term way.
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Agree with others - it depends where you want to go, what you want/plan to do, and how risk-averse you are.

Since January of 2020 when the first inklings of Covid appeared, I have flown probably 50,000 miles. I'm not jetting about to exotic holidays. That's what it takes to see family when you are spread across multiple continents and they need you.

In all cases I followed the laws and recommendations, had all required testing, and mostly isolated with relatives on visits.

Would I go party in Mallorca right now? No. Would I fly to see my mother again? Yes, without any hesitation whatsoever.

And I'm not vaccinated yet. Bern's vaccination rollout largely sucks. But that's a topic for another thread.
Bern is in iirc, about 4th place in terms of first doses delivered
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Re: When do think is acceptable to travel?

Our first flight since February 2020 is 17 days after our second dose. We are also traveling to the UK in September.

If you don't travel after your second vaccine now because Covid is still out there you (at least within Europe and US) you pretty much never will again - at least for several years.

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If you don't travel after your second vaccine now because Covid is still out there you pretty much never will again.



I would like to learn from your logic ....

Is it because 3rd world variants will likely continue to become, as part of natural evolution, more contagious and learn to evade vaccines and will likely circulate around the world?

So then, just as the couple of weeks June 2020 immediately following the first lockdown was actually one of the safest times in Switzerland, the upcoming time immediately after mass vaccinations in the west, before 3rd world variants continue and vaccines are the most tailored to the current variants, may end up being one of the safest times to travel for the next few years?

Or is yours a completely different logic?

Little bit of chrystal ball guessing, but thanks in advance for sharing your thinking .....

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