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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

Coop for the brand and discounts.
Migros for the produce and rewards program.
Veggies and fruits are better in Migros.
More international brands in Coop.
Home delivery of Coop is better.
But the M+ card may be a game changer for Migros.
Tried Lidl and Aldi and realised that I liked Coop and Migros.
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I don't think it's religous, I think it was a health thing, no tobacco or alcohol. Loads of MSG though.
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Back when were students, a friend of mine worked summers in Denner. She told me to never ever buy meat there. It might have improved since ( 10-15 yrs ago ) but I have my doubts.

The only bad thing about denner meat is the hackfleisch - it's often already grey and gone off in the store and even if it isn't it's often gone off days before the use-by date. Having said that, in terms of eating I prefer it to hackfleisch from anywhere else. I've never had any problem with any other of their meat products and will happily buy chicken, beef, pork and lamb there.

One problem with Denner is that you often have to queue up with smokers and winos who stink to high-heaven.


Their veggies are fine if limited selection. Coop veggies are often of very poor quality.
Coop meat is really expensive, even with their "Action!" it's still way more than elsewhere. As someone else mentioned they also like to sell things past their sell or use-by date.

I usually end up doing a loop Denner - Migros - Coop.
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Re: bio, always worth investigating each country’s regulations regarding what is bio and their regulations for “normal”. In Switzerland, the “normal” standard for Swiss-produced fruits and veg is the same or higher as most EU bio standards. Thus, I always privilege Swiss fruits and veg when possible.

I’m unwilling to drive an hour to shop over the border, so we stick to Lidl and Coop, I prefer them to the Migros and Aldi in town and usually find what I need between the two. I try to buy our meat and fruit/veg/eggs from local producers but I’ve had less time to drive to the various stands lately. I do like Aligro for seasonings especially but also for some non-food and they have decent specials.
Now that's some wishful thinking, maybe trying to make you feel good about buying expensive food & daily items? Can you please point to a research done on this topic? Ideally not sponsored by Migros/Coop/Aldi since incentives to motivate domestic population to keep shopping here in border regions are clear.

What I've found are some differences in requirement how whole BIO farm should run vs how some specific products are produced. In some areas EU had stricter requirements, in some Swiss, overall Swiss Bio has slight upper hand compared to EU Bio.

Non-Bio comparison I would expect to favor Swiss in similar sense.

But to claim Swiss non-bio is same or better as EU Bio is quite an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence. For non-food items there is no discussion, the same brands generally have same products (although here the difference is more like 50%, if its more its usually inferior product in EU).
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The only bad thing about denner meat is the hackfleisch - it's often already grey and gone off in the store and even if it isn't it's often gone off days before the use-by date. Having said that, in terms of eating I prefer it to hackfleisch from anywhere else.....


You start sounding like Tom.
How is this possible to happen on regular basis? I doubt nobody would report it if it happened often?
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I don't get it. I'm starting to? I still don't get it.

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How is this possible to happen on regular basis? I doubt nobody would report it if it happened often?
I dunno, ask Denner. I suppose this is just another EF classic of attempting to deny the existence of true events and personal experiences based upon your own armchair speculation.
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Old 30.07.2021, 21:30
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I suppose this is just another EF classic of attempting to deny the existence of true events and personal experiences based upon your own armchair speculation.
Oh well. It didn't take long for this benign natter about supermarket prices to become, in your own words "another EF classic", did it?
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Old 30.07.2021, 22:38
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

My two cents. There are no worse products hands down, than the coop prix guarantee. Oh my god do they deliberately make it terrible to punish poor people ? The beer I tried once, gross, their anker beer, never again. The toast bread, bacon, meat slices just foul. The budget range at migros is far superior. I actually go to migros/lidl/aldi in that oder. I always will slide into denner as you never know what they have. Volg is a bad joke but Spar has really good, but expensive meat.
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Old 31.07.2021, 04:48
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I dunno, ask Denner. I suppose this is just another EF classic of attempting to deny the existence of true events and personal experiences based upon your own armchair speculation.
I don't deny your experience at all, I'm just flabbergasted that you prefer eating Hackfleisch from Denner which is "often already grey and gone off in the store and even if it isn't it's often gone off days before the use-by date" and go back for the experience "often".

But hey, each to his own. Dry Aged beef for the poor? All a matter of perspective.

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The only bad thing about denner meat is the hackfleisch - it's often already grey and gone off in the store and even if it isn't it's often gone off days before the use-by date. Having said that, in terms of eating I prefer it to hackfleisch from anywhere else. I've never had any problem with any other of their meat products and will happily buy chicken, beef, pork and lamb there.

One problem with Denner is that you often have to queue up with smokers and winos who stink to high-heaven.


Their veggies are fine if limited selection. Coop veggies are often of very poor quality.
Coop meat is really expensive, even with their "Action!" it's still way more than elsewhere. As someone else mentioned they also like to sell things past their sell or use-by date.

I usually end up doing a loop Denner - Migros - Coop.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

After 13 years of shopping in Switzerland I have concluded that:
  • Migros is on average better quality AND cheaper than Co-Op, especially for fresh foods like fruits, vegetables, bread and dairy products. M-budget is WAY batter than the appalling Co-Op Prix Garantie crap. Migros doesn't have as much branded stuff though, of course.
  • Denner is always worth checking out once a week as it usually has decent "special offers" on treats (chocolate etc), cleaning products and alcohol. Also Swiss-produced pork and chicken is the cheapest I have seen.
  • Aldi has on average better quality products than Lidl and Denner and is also mostly better than Co-Op, albeit of course with a more limited selection of products. If I lived closer to one I would shop there much more often but sadly I don't.
  • In summary and in terms of how often I shop where; I now do 60% Migros, 20% Denner and the rest split between other supermarkets as needed.
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Nobody goes to Denner? They have great sales sometimes on local produce - meat and cheeses.
Denner is owned by Migros. They build a Denner next to each Migros so that shoppers can also buy and pick up alcohol n cigs when at Migros.
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Denner is owned by Migros. They build a Denner next to each Migros so that shoppers can also buy and pick up alcohol n cigs when at Migros.
Denner was taken over by Migros (and yes the next to Migros trick is not wrong )
Still, Denner runs on it's old system and ideas (the founder of Denner also had very specific ideas like the one of Migros albeit different ones - it can all be googled in case of interest in details) and there are no Migros products available in Denner but so called "Markenprodukte" (brand products?) As far as I know - but I'm not totally sure - Denner has no home brand (Eigenmarken).
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They build a Denner next to each Migros so that shoppers can also buy and pick up alcohol n cigs when at Migros.

I can't think of 1 example of this being true. I can think of 1 example, where they happened to be able to locate 1 across the road from the other, when a building was vacated. All others I can think of are on different streets, or a distance apart.
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Denner was taken over by Migros (and yes the next to Migros trick is not wrong )
Still, Denner runs on it's old system and ideas (the founder of Denner also had very specific ideas like the one of Migros albeit different ones - it can all be googled in case of interest in details) and there are no Migros products available in Denner but so called "Markenprodukte" (brand products?) As far as I know - but I'm not totally sure - Denner has no home brand (Eigenmarken).
Actually, they do have their own store brands.
https://www.denner.ch/de/qualitaet/q...estergebnisse/
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Denner is owned by Migros. They build a Denner next to each Migros so that shoppers can also buy and pick up alcohol n cigs when at Migros.
I think they are owned by Migros on a corporate level but AFAIK they follow their own policy in marketing, pricing and procurement.
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I can't think of 1 example of this being true. I can think of 1 example, where they happened to be able to locate 1 across the road from the other, when a building was vacated. All others I can think of are on different streets, or a distance apart.
I think when you look at small to medium shops its not true, but when you look at big complexes like Migros City in Zürich or Neumarkt in Oerlikon you get Migros, Denner and various other shops they own all having floor space in the same building but pretending to be separate shops.
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I can't think of 1 example of this being true. I can think of 1 example, where they happened to be able to locate 1 across the road from the other, when a building was vacated. All others I can think of are on different streets, or a distance apart.
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Actually, they do have their own store brands.
https://www.denner.ch/de/qualitaet/q...estergebnisse/
Yes, you're right. Actually I use the Denner dishwasher tabs for years now.
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I think when you look at small to medium shops its not true, but when you look at big complexes like Migros City in Zürich or Neumarkt in Oerlikon you get Migros, Denner and various other shops they own all having floor space in the same building but pretending to be separate shops.
True, but you also have Fust (a Coop subsidiary) in Migros complexes even though I can't think of one market/complex that houses both Migros and Coop.

If you were in charge of Denner, and knowing Migros don't sell alc+cigs, what would you do when Migros opens a new complex? It used to be a win-win (until Migros started to water down the principle). I seem to remember that Denner didn't anything easily perishable (veggies, meat, or whatever else needs cooling/freezing, etc) until maybe 20-30 years ago, similar in that regard to Otto's today.

Migrosbank seems an obviuos candidate for the big complexes, as easy to reach might increase the bank's appeal, and better them than another bank one might think. But they don't seem to have acted on that.
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I don't think Denner would survive anywhere other than Switzerland. The prices are mediocre, the choice terrible and the stores.... (shudder)
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