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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

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PETA keep reporting that Chaokoh (or their suppliers) use apes for the coconut harvest that are cruelly kept. This article is by their German branch, you can probably find the same in other languages (links in the bottom left corner). The article lists other retailers/brands they confirm don't ab/use apes.
They claimed no monkey business in this article that was published only a few months before the article you linked.

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Chaokoh buys the mature coconuts from its contracted farmers in five Thai provinces: Samut Songkhram, Ratchaburi, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Nakhon Si Thammarat and Narathiwat. The villagers harvest the coconuts using tools like a long bamboo stick or a pole pruner. Eligible farm inspections are also carried out to verify that the contracted coconut farmers meet Chaokoh's sustainability requirements, including zero monkey labor harvesting.
Almost certainly lies to mitigate the drop in sales. Indeed there are more recent reports of monkey labour and based on this article from 2015 it doesn't seem surprising.

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Thailand has been raising and training pigtailed macaques to pick coconuts for around 400 years. Coconut farmers in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, India and other countries in the region sometimes rely on monkeys, too.

Why monkeys? Turns out a male monkey can collect an average of 1,600 coconuts per day and a female can get 600, while a human can only collect around 80 per day. It's also safer for a scampering, height-savvy monkey to pluck and drop the fruit from the trees ó up to 80 feet tall ó than a human, according to the National Primate Research Center at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

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"It would be difficult to find a coconut product made in Thailand that wasn't picked by a monkey," Arjen Schroevers tells The Salt by email. Monkeys pick 99 percent of the Thai coconuts sold for their oil and flesh, he says.

Schroevers runs the Monkey Training School in Surat Thani, Thailand, a Buddhist-inspired school founded 50 years ago to teach monkeys how to pick coconuts without the use of force or violence. He says Animal Place has it all wrong when it comes to how most monkeys that work on coconut farms are treated.

"It is always relaxed, no shouting, no punishing," he says. "Every few trees the monkey hugs his owner, who then checks the monkey for red ants (who live in the trees) and the monkey gets a massage. Outside working hours the monkeys are kept as a pet (only for the family owners, to strangers they are not friendly)."

And as for the tethering, Schroevers says it serves a variety of purposes including guiding the monkeys up the tree and preventing them from escaping.

What's more, says Schroevers, the alternative would be a human poking a long pole with a knife up into the tree to cut the coconuts. "Because the trees are so high, you must stand straight under the coconuts you want to collect," he says. "They drop 6-12 at a time. Very dangerous!" (He adds that coconuts kill around 600 people per year worldwide.)

Of course, the working monkeys of Thailand have many similarly industrious counterparts in the animal world. Think oxen plowing fields, sheepdogs herding livestock, rottweilers guarding houses or beagles sniffing for drugs in airports. (Archaeologists say baboons once picked tree nuts in ancient Egypt.)
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It wouldn't interest me - I'm not a vegan but I do care about humane animal welfare as far as possible.
Based on my limited experience of monkeys in Thailand, my own feeling is they should be left well alone!
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Old 02.08.2021, 20:53
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

Well, skipping over everything after the first page, I get about 45% of my groceries from Denner, 20% from Migros, 20% from Coop, and the rest from other places ... including some independent grocery stores.

Denner is cheaper for most things and has good stuff, but their fruit & veg is hit & miss. I get most fruit & veg from Migros, some from Coop. There are a few things I can only get from Migros, some only from Coop, and others which are good & cheap at Denner.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

Denner is worth a nosey about particularly Saturday afternoons, Got a blast of Black Angus steaks there for almost nothing in Swiss Steak Terms. Savage munch on the BBQ.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

Maybe being a veggie who doesn't drink wine means that Denner really isn't for me.
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Old 03.08.2021, 13:04
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

If I didn't need to drive across town for it (while Migros is 5 minutes away) I would get all my food from the Turkish shop! Our's offers amazing quality, variety and low price for veggies as well as meat.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

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Coopís Anker beer, which is brewed in Reinfelden (Feldsclossen), is often at 2 for 1 or 50% off. Aprox 12fr for 24 5dl.

I canít tell the difference with Ďnormalí Feldsclossen.
This Fri/Sat Anker is 53% off at Coop @ fr12.95 for 24 x 50cl. (54 centimes per tin; f1.08 per litre)
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Old 03.08.2021, 15:11
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This Fri/Sat Anker is 53% off at Coop @ fr12.95 for 24 x 50cl. (54 centimes per tin; f1.08 per litre)
Please tell me that Coop has internally named this as the Coop Werbung Anker
Coop w.Anker for short.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

OK Iíll tell you. Iíll also tell you I have no idea what you are referring to. Must be a zuri-deutch joke.
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If I didn't need to drive across town for it (while Migros is 5 minutes away) I would get all my food from the Turkish shop! Our's offers amazing quality, variety and low price for veggies as well as meat.
All of the shops I use, including an Indian grocery store and a Turkish grocery store, are within five minutes' brisk walk of my home.

Well, except for Aldi/Landi or Lidl (which I rarely use), they're a bit further - Aldi & Landi a ten-minute walk, Lidl about a ten-minute drive.
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Please tell me that Coop has internally named this as the Coop Werbung Anker
Coop w.Anker for short.
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OK Iíll tell you. Iíll also tell you I have no idea what you are referring to. Must be a zuri-deutch joke.
perhaps I shouldn't wade in but suspect that ZŁritŁtsch isn't going to help much here...
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All of the shops I use, including an Indian grocery store and a Turkish grocery store, are within five minutes' brisk walk of my home.

Well, except for Aldi/Landi or Lidl (which I rarely use), they're a bit further - Aldi & Landi a ten-minute walk, Lidl about a ten-minute drive.
If I remember correctly you live where I used to live and never should have moved away from. Tempted to shed a tear about wrong decisions.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

I just shop wherever I feel like it, but I do like Denner/Lidl for a lot things. I find the quality of fruit/veg and salad is excellent in Migros. Best dishwasher tablets are Aldi, a huge box is cheap, lasts ages and they don't etch things like glasses.
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If I didn't need to drive across town for it (while Migros is 5 minutes away) I would get all my food from the Turkish shop! Our's offers amazing quality, variety and low price for veggies as well as meat.
There is a Turkish one near me in Cham, fantastic fruits and vegetables, real butcher counter, thatís a butcher with a butcher boy.
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Re: Which supermarket is the cheapest?

I couldnít go to a halal (or Kosher) butcher.
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I couldnít go to a halal (or Kosher) butcher.
Whyís that?
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This Fri/Sat Anker is 53% off at Coop @ fr12.95 for 24 x 50cl. (54 centimes per tin; f1.08 per litre)
Iíll be getting a slab of these later, trusting it canít be worse than any other of the discount beers.
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Whyís that?
Probably the throat cutting. The animals are stunned first though so itís all humane, at least in the EU.
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Whyís that?
Anti Semite
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Anti Semite
Turkish shops are traditionally not Jewish.
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Turkish shops are traditionally not Jewish.
Yeah, but maybe he doesn't know that. Better to be safe than sorry? Just guessing as he hasn't answered.
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