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The cynicism aside, Afghanistan is a beautiful country, the Hindukush is mesmerizingly stunning.

Never been there, just have memories of the 8mm films our Chemistry teacher showed us, from the 70s.
Absolutely breathtaking.

If the Taliban don’t mess it up this time, there’s actually a chance of tourism happening again.

Pro tip: book through a Chinese operator. They‘re not going to bite the hand that feeds them, this time, hopefully.
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Make sure your maiming and disability insurance is top notch.

After 40 years of war some parts of the country will be plastered with duds, and you may have to go crosscountry even if you don't plan to. Human Rights Watch says US military reports from 20 years ago mention up to 14% failure rate for cluster bomb bomblets.

Unmarked mine fields will increase the thrill even more.
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Old 01.09.2021, 10:59
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Re: Kabul in October

This is some grade A trolling.
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Old 01.09.2021, 11:22
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Pro tip: book through a Chinese operator. They‘re not going to bite the hand that feeds them, this time, hopefully.
Let's see how long that lasts.

Not long ago China was being heralded as the saviour of Africa, but you don't hear that tune very much these days.

If the Taleban leaders are smart (and I think they are) they will negotiate with everybody and play people against one another, while not allowing any one power to get too much infuence or exert too much dependency.
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Let's see how long that lasts.

Not long ago China was being heralded as the saviour of Africa, but you don't hear that tune very much these days.

If the Taleban leaders are smart (and I think they are) they will negotiate with everybody and play people against one another, while not allowing any one power to get too much infuence or exert too much dependency.



Of course.
They've had enough time to read up on current world affairs.


AFAIK, China's still big in Africa. Just not talked about much these days.
The world has bigger fish to fry and if it means that fewer Africans arrive on Europe's shores, Xi will get the thumbs-up from the EU-council for just about anything.
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I have no interest in living there; just holiday for a few weeks. Thanks for the article though. It sounds like the new government has a good plan with dealing with petty crime that has plagued the city in recent years. It also sounds like the night time power conservation measures will be a benefit to stargazing. Looking forward to it.
Indeed…you will also no doubt be delighted to learn that the moderates in the Taliban have managed to wring major concessions from the hard-liners.
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Old 01.09.2021, 14:15
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Have a bit of decency and show some empathy with those caught in the middle of this crisis.
What crisis?

Afghexit, like Brexit, is over!

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Old 01.09.2021, 14:46
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AFAIK, China's still big in Africa. Just not talked about much these days.
I was basing my point more on what I've been hearing from Africa itself, albeit through the filter of some of the Youtube channels I follow. Some years ago they were very enthusiastic about African investments and big projects and predicting a golden future, and these days the tune is more, we've been scr*wed over by those Chinese.
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Old 01.09.2021, 14:50
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(Think Prague early 90s)
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Old 01.09.2021, 15:32
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I was basing my point more on what I've been hearing from Africa itself, albeit through the filter of some of the Youtube channels I follow. Some years ago they were very enthusiastic about African investments and big projects and predicting a golden future, and these days the tune is more, we've been scr*wed over by those Chinese.
China has been using Africa as source for coal and other raw materials -- they have invested a good share on mining and basic industry, although all investment was Chinese turnkey (technology & HR). They were as interested in 'sustainably developing' the local communities, as the Europeans were during the Colonial times -- or still, if you know Nigeria, f.ex-- so, nothing that we (or at least I) would finger point the Chinese for, particularly because they have been focusing on economic interests (and trading), not in wagging war as a source of obtaining (access) or control of the asset...

Yes, (some) Africans understand the LT impact of the depletion of their natural resources, but, unfortunately is a continent where a large percentage of the population is still illiterate, and subsistence economy is the day-to-day, and with governments that are more interested in enriching their own accounts, than that of the country... hear it not from Youtube accounts, I have worked on basic industry in Africa for years...
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Old 01.09.2021, 15:48
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Re: Kabul in October

I appreciate the pedagogic efforts of EFers, but...can we go back to nihilism, black humor and double entendre?
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Pro tip:
Make sure your maiming and disability insurance is top notch.

After 40 years of war some parts of the country will be plastered with duds, and you may have to go crosscountry even if you don't plan to. Human Rights Watch says US military reports from 20 years ago mention up to 14% failure rate for cluster bomb bomblets.

Unmarked mine fields will increase the thrill even more.
Well, cross-country hiking would indeed not be high on my „things to do in Afghanistan“ list.
But that’s hardly news. Has been the case since the Soviet invasion.

Remnants of depleted uranium, tungsten and other armor-piercing ammunition would be my main personal concern (all „current“ problems ignored for the sake of argument…).
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Old 01.09.2021, 16:27
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Re: Kabul in October

I have to be honest, I really do find this thread to be in extremely poor taste. But hey, whatever floats your boat. And if that is finding an amusing side to the pain and suffering that is being inflicted on a large part of the Afghan population, well perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror...

Just sayin'
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I feel the same tbh, it's in poor taste given what's going on there at the moment.
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Re: Kabul in October

Sorry to offend some of you. Quite a few red blobs all stating that this thread is in poor taste. Not quite sure why to be honest. I looked in the mirror and tried but couldn't figure it out.

Oh well. Good news coming out of Kabul in recent days. The airport should be back in business in the next days. The Taliban 2.0 is having a few difficulties getting sorted but all indications are that they are on the right path to be more inclusive to all Afghans. Sure there will be growing pains but I am optimistic. It is also pretty apparent that the US has not completely withdrawn all forces from Afghanistan. They will be working in the background assisting the new government and ensuring that ISIS and Taliban 98 are kept under control.

Flights are still available but prices are going up. I guess that means demand is also increasing. Since nobody offered me any feedback on where to stay, I'll just book one of those airbnb's in the city center. They look pretty nice to be honest; nicer than some places I've booked in Europe.

Still open to suggestions!
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Old 02.09.2021, 18:10
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Sorry to offend some of you. Quite a few red blobs all stating that this thread is in poor taste. Not quite sure why to be honest. I looked in the mirror and tried but couldn't figure it out.

Oh well. Good news coming out of Kabul in recent days. The airport should be back in business in the next days. The Taliban 2.0 is having a few difficulties getting sorted but all indications are that they are on the right path to be more inclusive to all Afghans. Sure there will be growing pains but I am optimistic. It is also pretty apparent that the US has not completely withdrawn all forces from Afghanistan. They will be working in the background assisting the new government and ensuring that ISIS and Taliban 98 are kept under control.

Flights are still available but prices are going up. I guess that means demand is also increasing. Since nobody offered me any feedback on where to stay, I'll just book one of those airbnb's in the city center. They look pretty nice to be honest; nicer than some places I've booked in Europe.

Still open to suggestions!
By doing what? Freezing their asses on Afghanistan's state money locked in US accounts? While the last president they supported stuffed all the available cash into cars and helicopters and took off?
US "working in the background" is even worse. They can't even shoot them.
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Flights are still available but prices are going up. I guess that means demand is also increasing. Since nobody offered me any feedback on where to stay, I'll just book one of those airbnb's in the city center. They look pretty nice to be honest; nicer than some places I've booked in Europe.

Still open to suggestions!
Wait a min? Did you asked unironically? I thought we were just fooling around.
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Flights are still available but prices are going up. I guess that means demand is also increasing. Since nobody offered me any feedback on where to stay, I'll just book one of those airbnb's in the city center. They look pretty nice to be honest; nicer than some places I've booked in Europe.
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Re: Kabul in October

There's always Cambodia:



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Re: Kabul in October

On a serious note though, there’s no denying that Afghanistan is a beautiful and historically rich place worthwhile to visit. However the timing is wrong and I wouldn’t venture there until there’s more certainty as to who is in control of the country and what’s the country’s agenda towards tourists. The last thing is you wanna fall into kidnapping by some scumbags subject to hefty ransom.
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On a serious note though, there’s no denying that Afghanistan is a beautiful and historically rich place worthwhile to visit. However the timing is wrong and I wouldn’t venture there until there’s more certainty as to who is in control of the country and what’s the country’s agenda towards tourists. The last thing is you wanna fall into kidnapping by some scumbags subject to hefty ransom.
Even if it is clear who is in charge, there is no guarantee that such things won't happen.

The Taleban may well end up deciding that foreign infidel tourists would bring bad ideas into the country so it might be better to do without their dirty dollars.

The only way to get a peek at some of the country's treasures might be to grow a beard and come there pretending to be a devoutly religious Taleban supporter coming to learn more about their success that you so admire.
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