Use of e-Gates - British passport - Page 5

TonyClifton · #81 19.01.2023, 16:03

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	I don’t understand how these negotiations have gone; EU can use e-gates in UK but not the other way around. EU pet passports accepted as before in UK but not the other way around. Awesome negotiating

It's called not being petty. This isn't part of the cooperation agreement. The UK could do the same but choose not to.

litespeed · #82 19.01.2023, 16:10

	Quote:	Chuff
	That's what happens when one side has far more bargaining power than the other.

The Black Knight scene from Monty Python pretty much sums up Brexit negotiations.

Axa · #83 19.01.2023, 16:12

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's called not being petty. This isn't part of the cooperation agreement. The UK could do the same but choose not to.

Or unrequested offer with the hope of getting something back.

People that sends unrequested offers should be aware that it's an unilateral thing, nothing binding, nada.

Treverus · #84 19.01.2023, 16:17

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's called not being petty. This isn't part of the cooperation agreement. The UK could do the same but choose not to.

Nothing about this is petty. The Schengen treaty demands member states to check passports of 3rd country visitors and track their entry and leaving dates. Any exception to that (like the UK allowed for certain commonwealth passports) were internationally negotiated... and not just up to the individual countries. Thats not exactly a secret and was clear on day one of the Brexit talks. Boris and friends didnt do a stellar job in those talks, did they? They had years to come up with constructive solutions but decided to make populist demands instead... now you get the bill for putting the most hardline brexiteers in charge of the negotiations. Because they didnt care about practical issues as long as they can make some silly headlines.

ShirleyNot · #85 19.01.2023, 16:18

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	I don’t understand how these negotiations have gone; EU can use e-gates in UK but not the other way around. EU pet passports accepted as before in UK but not the other way around. Awesome negotiating

It's likely down to staffing levels and resources. Automating as much as possible and not making significant non-essential changes post Brexit that would add cost and restructuring seems to be the aim. Border Force are crying out for recruitment. Same with the freight and cargo side.

TonyClifton · #86 19.01.2023, 16:25

	Quote:	Treverus
	Nothing about this is petty. The Schengen treaty demands member states to check passports of 3rd country visitors and track their entry and leaving dates. Any exception to that (like the UK allowed for certain commonwealth passports) were internationally negotiated... and not just up to the individual countries. Thats not exactly a secret and was clear on day one of the Brexit talks. Boris and friends didnt do a stellar job in those talks, did they? They had years to come up with constructive solutions but decided to make populist demands instead... now you get the bill for putting the most hardline brexiteers in charge of the negotiations. Because they didnt care about practical issues as long as they can make some silly headlines.

Airports in Spain and Portugal allow UK passengers to use e-gates.

The UK allows US and South Korean passport holders to use e-gates.

There is some leeway however makes more of a statement to be petty. I don't mind, quite amusing to see bitter old remainers posting pictures of airport queues as about the only practical inconvenience of Brexit they have to show. The wealthy ones doing so on their way to their winter ski holidays all the better.

Axa · #87 19.01.2023, 16:34

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Airports in Spain and Portugal allow UK passengers to use e-gates.

The whole story about it. It's not an agreement, it's just a patch to make sure flights operate on time. Possible to do, but if there are questions around overstay in EU, it's much recommended to have a stamp on the passport. This makes e-gates useless.

	Quote:
	Following Brexit, people entering and leaving Spain using a British passport had to use the manual non-EU lanes. Selected Spanish airports, including LPA Gran Canariahave given permission for British tourists to operate eGates in an effort to shorten lines at the Spanish Border Control. Important Reminder: In compliance with Schengen travel regulations, British travellers must still have their passports stamped. This really means that if you are a UK national the speed of an e-Gate is not much benefit to youas you still need to get your passport stamped. This is advised as proof of your entry date and that you have not overstayed your maximum 90-day period in Spain. The Foreign Office updated its travel advice for UK citizens travelling to Spain in June 2022warning that they could need to present a return or onward ticket, evidence of sufficient funds for their stay, and proof of accommodation.

https://gran-canaria-airport.com/passport-e-gate/