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Re: Shopping in Konstanz, Germany


And more particularly try the Humanic store in this centre. We have not been to the one there, but on our trips to Innsbruck we always try to stop in the city centre to visit both the Humanic adults store and the children's store. Particularly as regards children's shoes, they are about 30% cheaper, and then you get the VAT back as well. Great selection too.
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Maybe a bit of a silly question but would anyone know any good shoe shops in Konstanz? I am looking for (men's) casual/business, preferably Italian.
Humanic in the Lago centrum would be a good place to start, its a large shop with a big variety.
The town in general is peppered with many other smaller shoe shops.

My own imput is that shopping for shoes in DE does not offer as good a discount as clothes/food etc.

Hope it helps
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Thanks for the input. Thinking of making the trip across the border tomorrow; anyone else up for it?
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Re: Shopping in Konstanz, Germany

I was in Konstanz today.

I have some observations that might be helpful and some questions that could be useful to the community if anyone knows the answers.

When you buy something, always ask the till person for the customs form because they might not give you it automatically otherwise.

Make sure you write your name and address on it before giving it to the man at the customs office. I gave one with and one without. The man at the desk had stamped both but noticed that one was incomplete, and then added a second 'not valid / ungultig' stamp on it. I added the name and address and went back - he added a second good stamp on it.

The customs office in the station looked closed & unlit, but was in fact open. Do try the door. Outside the large Lago shopping centre is the train station and also an Intersport. The customs office is directly opposite the Intersport on the platform side. Just take the first entrance point to the platform, go right and the customs office is there. Only the left door was open, but it was open.

You can take your stamped form and go directly back to the shop you bought things from and they will give you the duty back to you in cash there and then. Can be a bit of a pain as you have to queue. Of course you can go back to the shops on a future visit to do this. Your call.

That's my contribution and here are my questions:

1. The man at the customs desk did not require any ID or look at the value of the goods. Is this normal?

2. I did not get one item stamped today as it was getting late and I wanted to head off. Can I get it stamped at a future date or have I missed the chance?

3. No one was stopped at customs on the way back through the border. It seemed too busy for that and the roads were jammed anyway. Do people actually get stopped on a Saturday?

4. What do customs do when they actually pull you over. Do they look at everything in the car? How do they determine what is new and what is not? We took our young son's clothes and food with us and then bought some of the same type of things there.

5. Presumably the plan of parking in Kreuzlingen is to avoid going through customs by car and thereby having more than CHF 300 in goods (or is it because it is somehow easier to get in and out??). I read above that people are spot checked as they walk. Is there anything to stop someone going back and forth with multiple CHF300 purchases?

6. Finally, does everyone work out what CHF 300 is in euros before shopping? I only thought about that at the end though we were well under it. I suppose everyone does - d'oh!

Right, i'll stop there, quite enough. Thanks if you can contribute to any of these!
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You can take your stamped form and go directly back to the shop you bought things from and they will give you the duty back to you in cash there and then.
Be careful. If you get your forms stamped at the German customs office at the railway station, you're supposed to leave for Switzerland by train. Going back to the city is illegal. Chances that you're caught might be slim and I don't know what the consequences are (probably some fine), but you've been warned.

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1. The man at the customs desk did not require any ID or look at the value of the goods. Is this normal?
Are you talking about the German customs officer? They usually want to see your ID but they don't really care about the value of the goods.

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4. What do customs do when they actually pull you over. Do they look at everything in the car? How do they determine what is new and what is not? We took our young son's clothes and food with us and then bought some of the same type of things there.
Anywhere between just asking if you have anything to declare and literally taking your car (or at least parts of it) apart.

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5. Presumably the plan of parking in Kreuzlingen is to avoid going through customs by car and thereby having more than CHF 300 in goods (or is it because it is somehow easier to get in and out??). I read above that people are spot checked as they walk. Is there anything to stop someone going back and forth with multiple CHF300 purchases?
The 300 CHF VAT free allowance is per person per day. If you're caught exceeding the allowance without declaring the goods you will be fined.
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You can take your stamped form and go directly back to the shop you bought things from and they will give you the duty back to you in cash there and then. Can be a bit of a pain as you have to queue. Of course you can go back to the shops on a future visit to do this. Your call.
Bad idea. The form that is stamped by customs contains a statutary declaration that you are (a) exporting the goods described on the form, and that you (b) have them with you (that's why you have to sign it). That means that if you want to take them back into Germany, you will have to declare the import and pay the tax again, which makes the whole process pointless. If you go back with the undeclared goods, that's a false stat dec to a federal official and tax evasion, both felonies.
If you want your tax back on the same day, you have to take what you bought into Switzerland, leave it there (e.g. in the car), go back into Germany without the goods and claim the refund.
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That's my contribution and here are my questions:

1. The man at the customs desk did not require any ID or look at the value of the goods. Is this normal? They are only interested if they suspect that you are resident in the EU (in which case you can't get VAT back).

2. I did not get one item stamped today as it was getting late and I wanted to head off. Can I get it stamped at a future date or have I missed the chance? Yes, it's too late now. This chap tried = false stat dec, EUR 3'000 fine, reduced to EUR 1'000 on appeal.

3. No one was stopped at customs on the way back through the border. It seemed too busy for that and the roads were jammed anyway. Do people actually get stopped on a Saturday? Oh yes they do get stopped, and not necessarily at the border - there are mobile patrols as well.

4. What do customs do when they actually pull you over. Do they look at everything in the car? How do they determine what is new and what is not? We took our young son's clothes and food with us and then bought some of the same type of things there.
They will ask "Anything to declare?" and, depending on the answer and their mood, will search the car or do nothing.

5. Presumably the plan of parking in Kreuzlingen is to avoid going through customs by car and thereby having more than CHF 300 in goods (or is it because it is somehow easier to get in and out??). I read above that people are spot checked as they walk. Is there anything to stop someone going back and forth with multiple CHF300 purchases? The prospect of a fine (from the Swiss customs this time), it's CHF 300 per day.
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Re: Shopping in Konstanz, Germany

I was there yesterday as well.

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1. The man at the customs desk did not require any ID or look at the value of the goods. Is this normal?
Same here. A cold freezing Saturday evening stamping forms for Swiss residents... brr.

2. I did not get one item stamped today as it was getting late and I wanted to head off. Can I get it stamped at a future date or have I missed the chance?
Of course not

3. No one was stopped at customs on the way back through the border. It seemed too busy for that and the roads were jammed anyway. Do people actually get stopped on a Saturday?
Unlikely given the weather but there are the odd occurrences I have heard of.

6. Finally, does everyone work out what CHF 300 is in euros before shopping? I only thought about that at the end though we were well under it. I suppose everyone does - d'oh!
Not really. I am happy to pay the Swiss VAT if I am checked. It is still a lot lesser than in DE. I am guessing you only pay it for the amount > 300 CHF
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I was there yesterday as well.
Just a reminder - if you have goods to declare, it's up to you to declare. "I am happy to pay the Swiss VAT if I am checked" doesn't work - if you are checked and they find something, it's VAT + a fine or, depending on the circumstances, a date at the local magistrate's court.
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Just a reminder - if you have goods to declare, it's up to you to declare. "I am happy to pay the Swiss VAT if I am checked" doesn't work - if you are checked and they find something, it's VAT + a fine or, depending on the circumstances, a date at the local magistrate's court.
Bit of a silly follow-up question but where do you declare if you take the train back?
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Bit of a silly follow-up question but where do you declare if you take the train back?
There's a Swiss customs office at Konstanz train station. When it's not manned (which is often), you have to fill out a form (it's a triplicate). Deposit the first sheet in the box at the station, keep the other two. If you are checked inside Switzerland, customs will keep the second sheet as evidence that you did declare your import.

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Re: Shopping in Konstanz, Germany

I go to Konstanz on and off. Once just after having my receipts stamped,
on the german side, I was stopped by a woman border control who asked
me to show her my receipts. Then another time I was already on the train
a man, in civil clothes asked for the receipts to be shown.
My point. On the german side, they check. Sometimes they are dressed
with official clothes sometimes not. But they are there for sure.
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Be careful. If you get your forms stamped at the German customs office at the railway station, you're supposed to leave for Switzerland by train. Going back to the city is illegal. Chances that you're caught might be slim and I don't know what the consequences are (probably some fine), but you've been warned.
Thanks for clarifying that. So should I be going to another location for customs if I am coming by car? I followed the earlier advice on this very thread and I don't recall seeing the point about going to the train station or even going back into town being raised, so I suspect I wont be the only one confused here.

Once you have your stamp, where and when do you go for a refund? Back into Konstanz at a later date with form in hand or at a Swiss train station? I saw someone mention some train stations do this and for a charge, but the poster didn't say which train stations. Any idea which ones? I'm guessing Zurich HB is among them.

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Thanks for clarifying that. So should I be going to another location for customs if I am coming by car? I followed the earlier advice on this very thread and I don't recall seeing the point about going to the train station or even going back into town being raised, so I suspect I wont be the only one confused here.

Once you have your stamp, where and when do you go for a refund? Back into Konstanz at a later date with form in hand or at a Swiss train station? I saw someone mention some train stations do this and for a charge, but the poster didn't say which train stations. Any idea which ones? I'm guessing Zurich HB is among them.

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You can go back any way you like - as long as the goods you "exported" are in Switzerland. It's perfectly OK to park the car on the Swiss side, walk back to Germany (or take the Bus), and hand in the receipts, if the store handles the refunds. Which leads to your second question: Any retailer can choose between a straightforward refund at their premises (or indeed at other branches in case of "dm drogeriemarkt"), or a "refund scheme" like Global Blue. In the latter case, you get your money in Switzerland, minus a cut for the refund scheme. There's a counter at Zurich HB for that. Aldi operate their own version of the tax back scheme, and you have to register before you shop and receive a special card.
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Bad idea. The form that is stamped by customs contains a statutary declaration that you are (a) exporting the goods described on the form, and that you (b) have them with you (that's why you have to sign it). That means that if you want to take them back into Germany, you will have to declare the import and pay the tax again, which makes the whole process pointless. If you go back with the undeclared goods, that's a false stat dec to a federal official and tax evasion, both felonies.
If you want your tax back on the same day, you have to take what you bought into Switzerland, leave it there (e.g. in the car), go back into Germany without the goods and claim the refund.
Thank you for that excellent contribution - very helpful. Can I ask where you get your forms stamped? Do you pull over at the customs in your car or find the place in town? I just need to factor getting to the right customs declaration place into the day. (It all takes a bit longer with an occasionally unwilling two year old and a heavily pregnant wife).

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Thank you for that excellent contribution - very helpful. Can I ask where you get your forms stamped? Do you pull over at the customs in your car or find the place in town? I just need to factor getting to the right customs declaration place into the day. (It all takes a bit longer with an occasionally unwilling two year old and a heavily pregnant wife).

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Car: at manned border crossings (hint: the ones where there is a long line of Swiss cars on Saturday afternoon looking for a free parking space). Park the car, leave the car taking the various Ausfuhrscheine (put your name, address etc on each and sign), take ID (just in case), and join the queue.
Train: Konstanz main station, Waldshut station, Basel Badischer Bahnhof station.
On foot: at the manned border crossing, but you don't have to park

Then declare the import to the Swiss customs if over CHF 300 per person (or per item: you can't cumulate duty free allowances to cover more expensive items such as a washing machine), or if you exceed limits for specific items such as meat. If unsure, ask any of the Swiss in the queue about the location of the Swiss customs. In some places, they're in the same building (Rheinfelden motorway, Kreuzlingen motorway, Stein/Sackingen, Laufenburg, Konstanz station, Waldshut station, Basel Badischer Bahnhof stations), in other places, there's a separate office on the Swiss side (Waldshut/Konstanz Rhine bridge).
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Car: at manned border crossings (hint: the ones where there is a long line of Swiss cars on Saturday afternoon looking for a free parking space). Park the car, leave the car taking the various Ausfuhrscheine (put your name, address etc on each and sign), take ID (just in case), and join the queue.
Train: Konstanz main station, Waldshut station, Basel Badischer Bahnhof station.
On foot: at the manned border crossing, but you don't have to park

Then declare the import to the Swiss customs if over CHF 300 per person (or per item: you can't cumulate duty free allowances to cover more expensive items such as a washing machine), or if you exceed limits for specific items such as meat. If unsure, ask any of the Swiss in the queue about the location of the Swiss customs. In some places, they're in the same building (Rheinfelden motorway, Kreuzlingen motorway, Stein/Sackingen, Laufenburg, Konstanz station, Waldshut station, Basel Badischer Bahnhof stations), in other places, there's a separate office on the Swiss side (Waldshut/Konstanz Rhine bridge).

Wow, you're speedy! You're not in the export trade are you, you seem to have this all completely sussed out.

How do you do it then? I'm guessing you have a car. Do you park in Konstanz or Kreuzlingen? Where do you get your stamps? Do you typically go back into Konstanz on the same day? You sound organised.

You know, i'm just going to follow your modus operandii... and I bet a bunch of others will too!
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Wow, you're speedy! You're not in the export trade are you, you seem to have this all completely sussed out.

How do you do it then? I'm guessing you have a car. Do you park in Konstanz or Kreuzlingen? Where do you get your stamps? Do you typically go back into Konstanz on the same day? You sound organised.

You know, i'm just going to follow your modus operandii... and I bet a bunch of others will too!
I go every other week or so and I go during the week, usually to a place closer to Zurich (ie not Konstanz). I usually collect the refund when I go back. I can't be bothered for Aldi, I simply pay the tax end of, since most things I buy there are only 7% tax anyway and I found the hassle not worth the while for single-digit Euro refunds. It's different for a shop at dm for nappies, formula etc, or more expensive food such as meat at E-center, REWE or Marktkauf, never mind clothes, shoes or furniture.
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Where is the nearer place? Schaffhausen?

Given you are only up the road from me, that's seems quite a lot of driving. So i'll assume it must be worth it.

I take it you have family and get all the kids stuff as well as food? Is the saving really that much? For example, you can get cheap nappies at Lidl (one in Altendorf for example) for around CHF 9.5 (Brand Toujours for 50, apparently they are fine according to house boss). Decent food is probably more of a question, but I couldn't justify going that many times a year for clothes.
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Closest is Jestetten, but that's a pain to drive. I go to Bad Säckingen, Laufenburg or Waldshut. Conveniently located just off the A3, and no need to go through or around Zurich.

Nappies are cheaper, we use Pampers and 84 size 4s are 17 EUR at dm (coop online: CHF 22.95 for 52). Baby jars are 1/2 or less of what they cost here (small single ingredient jars, e.g. organic mashed carrots: coop online: CHF 1.80, dm EUR 0.45) , and there's a much better choice (such as lots of single-ingredient porridges, without added sugar, apple juice or aroma). Formula is much much cheaper too, esp if you use the hypoallergic stuff. And in the bigger dm shops (Laufenburg or Waldshut), there is an excellent range of basic baby wear such as romper suits, socks, jumpers, jeans, sleeping bags, hats, indoor shoes and socks, most made from organic cotton and really really cheap.

I don't buy milk in Germany because I buy milk from a local farmer at Landi. But a good visits ends with the purchase of two rib-eye steaks of beef, from Argentina or Ireland, dry-aged for 30 days, at EUR 29.90/kg . Just make sure no pack of meat is over 500g.
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I have never tried shopping in Germany, but I'm going to head for Konstanz Christmas Market this year. It starts next week. Has anyone been there?
Here's a link in English.
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