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Old 24.01.2011, 11:30
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Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

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i did a data transfer for a friend of mine with the help of my fat32 formatted mac used external harddrive. now i have deleted the data of my said friend and the stuff still sits in my bin!

how do i get those out of the system?

do i need to plug the harddirve to a pc/windows system and scan the thrash or how does it work? same happned last night with a USB stick that i loaded with (private) data from/at work (windows pc). stuff now is stuck in my mac bin.
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Old 24.01.2011, 11:36
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

If I understand your post correctly, you're saying you have files in the Trash on your Mac which you want to permanently delete. Right?

If that's the case there a several ways to do it. One of the easiest is simply to right-click on the Trash icon in your Dock, and select Empty Trash.

Sorry if I've misunderstood.
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Old 24.01.2011, 11:43
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

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See there is your problem, you bought a Mac (friendly fire)

If you startup under safe modus, can you delete the full bin then or not?
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Old 24.01.2011, 11:47
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

Presumably you're not asking how to empty the trash.

So it seems you may have not unmounted the external device properly. You may try plugging back in and emptying trash as such.

Or open a shell and go to the trash directory (can't tell you where that is right now) and

> rm *
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Old 24.01.2011, 12:18
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

the point is: i want to delete the files from my trash. and for sure i know how to via "finder". pfffffft!
i have tried several programms that really "kill" the trash, didnt work.
somebody told me that it could be the case that the files are "linked/rooted" to a windows system n therefor the ext-HD has to be replugged to a windows pc. my friends pc is binned, no chance. before i carry the stuff to my work desk...i wanted to ask somebody if thats of use.

ok, ill try what you are advising....
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Old 24.01.2011, 13:36
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somebody told me that it could be the case that the files are "linked/rooted" to a windows system n therefor the ext-HD has to be replugged to a windows pc
It's what I would have said.

have you tried software like ONYX ?
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Old 24.01.2011, 14:59
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If I understand your post correctly, you're saying you have files in the Trash on your Mac which you want to permanently delete. Right?

If that's the case there a several ways to do it. One of the easiest is simply to right-click on the Trash icon in your Dock, and select Empty Trash.

Sorry if I've misunderstood.
If that fails, keep the alt key pressed and then select delete trash from the menu bar. That tends to delete stuff like seriously damaged files that the normal delete can't cope with, or if your file system is damaged.
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If that fails, keep the alt key pressed and then select delete trash from the menu bar. That tends to delete stuff like seriously damaged files that the normal delete can't cope with, or if your file system is damaged.
this apple! again i cant believe how easy it was?! thx a million!
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

Thing is, if you delete files on a Mac from an external disk, although they are showing in your Mac's trash, they are in fact still on the external drive, the ones in your trash are symbolic links, so force deleting them only deletes the links, and as the external drive is not plugged in anymore, NOT the actual files. If it was plugged in - the links and files would both go...

Pound to a penny the files will still be present on the external drive....
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Old 25.01.2011, 17:49
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Thing is, if you delete files on a Mac from an external disk, although they are showing in your Mac's trash, they are in fact still on the external drive, the ones in your trash are symbolic links, so force deleting them only deletes the links, and as the external drive is not plugged in anymore, NOT the actual files. If it was plugged in - the links and files would both go...

Pound to a penny the files will still be present on the external drive....
It shouldn't be like that as when the external drive is disconnected or unmounted, the trash of that drive shouldn't be visible in your trash folder. If it shows up nevertheless you've got a problem with your file system.
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It shouldn't be like that as when the external drive is disconnected or unmounted, the trash of that drive shouldn't be visible in your trash folder. If it shows up nevertheless you've got a problem with your file system.
Try it.

I regularly do this to copy movies onto the PS3:

Plug in USB pen drive
Copy files
No room
Delete old files
Copy files
Still no room cos in trash
Eject USB
Plug in USB
Copy Files
No room
Empty trash
Copy files
Yay!!!

Mind you you could be right about my filesystem, it's been a long time since a rebuild, and I've stuck 10.6.7 beta update on along with zfs filesystem from 10a285 which didn't work but might have fubared sth....
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

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Try it.

I regularly do this to copy movies onto the PS3:

Plug in USB pen drive
Copy files
No room
Delete old files
Copy files
Still no room cos in trash
Eject USB
Plug in USB
Copy Files
No room
Empty trash
Copy files
Yay!!!

Mind you you could be right about my filesystem, it's been a long time since a rebuild, and I've stuck 10.6.7 beta update on along with zfs filesystem from 10a285 which didn't work but might have fubared sth....
I just tried again - I'm right!

Try this...

Empty trash
Insert USB drive with files on
Trash them
Eject pen
Trash empties
Reinsert pen
Trash refills!

Note free space, it still considered trashed files as taking up space on the USB pen.

Sorry I'm not going on, just started to doubt myself...
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Old 26.01.2011, 09:44
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I just tried again - I'm right!

Try this...

Empty trash
Insert USB drive with files on
Trash them
Eject pen
Trash empties
Reinsert pen
Trash refills!

Note free space, it still considered trashed files as taking up space on the USB pen.

Sorry I'm not going on, just started to doubt myself...
Nope, that sounds correct to me. The trash that is on your USB stick is only visible when the stick is mounted, and the trash vanishes when you remove the stick. You therefore have to empty the trash when the stick is mounted.
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and that my Iphoto library is exactly the same as my folders containing all my pics. Useful program and you can see if your space is in fact, freed up as well.
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be very careful what you delete. Sometime things that look like duplicates may just be low-res thumbnails

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Old 26.01.2011, 09:46
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this apple! again i cant believe how easy it was?! thx a million!
If it weren't an apple, you wouldn't have the problem in the first place. I've noticed OS X behaving terribly with externally mounted drives, leaving shadow files on the device, in trash, .... It should be doing its cleanup properly on ummount. It's very annoying.
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Nope, that sounds correct to me. The trash that is on your USB stick is only visible when the stick is mounted, and the trash vanishes when you remove the stick. You therefore have to empty the trash when the stick is mounted.
But as I stated above, this is very undesirable behaviour for a usb stick. It should empty the trash on the usb on unmount.
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hello,

i did a data transfer for a friend of mine with the help of my fat32 formatted mac used external harddrive. now i have deleted the data of my said friend and the stuff still sits in my bin!

how do i get those out of the system?

do i need to plug the harddirve to a pc/windows system and scan the thrash or how does it work? same happned last night with a USB stick that i loaded with (private) data from/at work (windows pc). stuff now is stuck in my mac bin.
Use this LINK it is for a small script wich will help you. It helped me in situation like yours. Hope it will work for you too.
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:22
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Re: Problem with deleting files rom bin on mac system

OK, Let's try and clear this up a bit.

On every disk (volume) that you connect to a Mac system, regardless of format (NTFS is the exception), the Mac will create a small number of invisible folders (directories) at the root level. One of these is ".Trashes". A ".Trashes" folder also exists on your boot disk, and a ".Trash" folder exists within your user account area.

How it works is this. If you drag a file from your user account to the trash (A file from the desktop would be a good example) then the file is not deleted, but simply moved to the ".Trash" folder within your user account. If you trash a file from an external disk then it's simply moved to the ".Trashes" folder of that particular external disk (USB Sticks are also considered to be disks). What you see in the Trash is the combined contents of your user's ".Trash" folder and the ".Trashes" folders of all disks you have connected. Basically each disk has it's own separate area for holding trashed files, but all are displayed together when you view the contents of your trash.

When you empty the trash the computer then erases the files held within the user account ".Trash" and all of the ".Trashes" of all disks connected. Should you remove a disk before emptying the trash then the trashed files of that disk will disappear from the trash, but remain on the disk, and will reappear in the trash the next time you connect that disk. The disk must be connected in order to be able to empty that disks trash.

There are certain circumstances where files can only be removed with the use of the alt (option) key, and that is when they are locked. You can lock a file by "Getting Info" on that file and then clicking in the "Protect or Lock" checkbox. When a file is locked not even a "sudo rm *.*" will get rid of it.

Also to correct a previous comment. The files in the trash are the real deal, they're not symbolic links. Symbolic links are used in other parts of Mac OS such as disk burning, and hard links are used in Time Machine, but what's in the trash is the actual file.


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But as I stated above, this is very undesirable behaviour for a usb stick. It should empty the trash on the usb on unmount.
Noooo - That would be extremely undesirable behaviour from my point of view, and disastrous from the point of view of some of my clients.
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Old 26.01.2011, 10:38
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Noooo - That would be extremely undesirable behaviour from my point of view, and disastrous from the point of view of some of my clients.
Well, I and all other OS's disagree. The USB key should not be building up a cache of hidden deleted files as you use it. The workflow of a usb key is that if you delete a file, it should be cleared when you unplug it; you should not expect to recover it by plugging it back into a computer with the same OS as when you deleted the files. Delete means delete and people should know that. It's annoying having to delete these files manually later when I run out of space, when in fact I haven't run out of space, but have a cache of previously deleted files (from OS X).

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