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Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

Hi there, we have only been in Zurich for four months and both my husband and have both experienced some one trying to hack into our Laptops a couple of times since we have been here. Thankfully we have all the Firewall protections on both our Laptops. The Warning that came up whilst it was happening was very different to any we have seen before.
So I was just wanting to know if this is a very common problem here?
If you have any advice or information about this,we would really appreciate it
Cheers Joanne
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Hi there, we have only been in Zurich for four months and both my husband and have both experienced some one trying to hack into our Laptops a couple of times since we have been here. Thankfully we have all the Firewall protections on both our Laptops. The Warning that came up whilst it was happening was very different to any we have seen before.
So I was just wanting to know if this is a very common problem here?
If you have any advice or information about this,we would really appreciate it
Cheers Joanne
How were exaclty those "warnings" from someone trying to hack your computer?

A friend of mine told me exactly the same and it was just firefox trying to connect to internet with his new connection...
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So I was just wanting to know if this is a very common problem here?
No more or less than anywhere else. If you have a firewall, then your computer should appear invisible to hackers, as this free test site should prove:

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

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Your Internet port 139 does not appear to exist!
One or more ports on this system are operating in FULL STEALTH MODE! Standard Internet behavior requires port connection attempts to be answered with a success or refusal response. Therefore, only an attempt to connect to a nonexistent computer results in no response of either kind. But YOUR computer has DELIBERATELY CHOSEN NOT TO RESPOND (that's very cool!) which represents advanced computer and port stealthing capabilities. A machine configured in this fashion is well hardened to Internet NetBIOS attack and intrusion.
Unable to connect with NetBIOS to your computer.

All attempts to get any information from your computer have FAILED. (This is very uncommon for a Windows networking-based PC.) Relative to vulnerabilities from Windows networking, this computer appears to be VERY SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal NetBIOS networking protocol over the Internet.

Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating. Not a single packet — solicited or otherwise — was received from your system as a result of our security probing tests. Your system ignored and refused to reply to repeated Pings (ICMP Echo Requests). From the standpoint of the passing probes of any hacker, this machine does not exist on the Internet. Some questionable personal security systems expose their users by attempting to "counter-probe the prober", thus revealing themselves. But your system wisely remained silent in every way. Very nice.
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

Without details of what you actually saw, your warning is useless. I've been online for over 15 years and have never had someone "try to hack" my computers.
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

If you are of interest, you face the same risks as everywhere else - a targetted hack is very expensive though. If you aren't, then you may reconsider your safety settings as some guys just like to see what they can get. And yes, it may be totally harmless, seems odd to have repeat things come up that are visible to you. When I was hacked, the only thing that changed was a slower PC and it was purely by instinct that I had a specialist/white hat look at it. Took four days to find the guy although he had been clumsy, so if you are being attacked, you are usually none the wiser...
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It's not someone doggy-styling your WiFi, is it? If it's not passworded/protected you'll have the whole block surfing at your cost, downloading or uploading whatever they please.

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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

i had some problems with my non passworded wlan network
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

I had that a few times with Cablecom dynamic ip addresses some years back. Something scanning their DHCP IP address blocks, scanning windows related ports.

Cablecom DHCP addresses changed quite a bit, and I found myself trying to log into someone else's computer as my DDNS addresses were stale.

Not me this time, my current ISP hardly ever changes my IP address.
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Old 03.04.2011, 17:56
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i had some problems with my non passworded wlan network
Are you serious??? It's 2011! That means:

- if there has been any crime comitted from your network, from a hacker attack to some of the nice neighbours browsing child porn, you are in hot water. You own the infrastructure and made it available to them.

- at least according to German law is it your responsibility to secure your network, otherwise you have no right to make liability claims and you can even be liable yourself for any problems cause by it.

It is in short a bit like parking your car and leaving the key in the lock - if a kid takes it for a ride and crashes it, you get part of the blame.


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Old 03.04.2011, 18:13
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

It's not really a big problem, per se. You have to sit through a lot of classes and take some kind of exam and, of course, pay a big fee. Of course, that's only the basic hacking license. If you want to go after anything really interesting, it's back for more classes and paying even more for a higher permit. It's a bit of a government scam to raise revenue, kind of like those hidden speed cameras. Of course, it's also meant to protect the domestic hacking industry from cheap imported hackers from Yugoslavia. No doubt you've seen the SVP posters about this.
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Old 03.04.2011, 18:27
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Of course, it's also meant to protect the domestic hacking industry from cheap imported hackers from Yugoslavia. No doubt you've seen the SVP posters about this.
That would be this one:



Only employ black-hat hacker with federal Swiss diplomas! (Eidgenössisch Diplomierte Schwarzhut-Hacker, Eid. Dipl. SHH)

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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

Your ISP may well be port probing to see if you are running servers, or some teen with a copy of nMap may be subnet scanning, either way your firewall picked it up. If you have sensitive data on a laptop, make sureyou have encryption.

I just checked your laptops hard drives and network access logs, it looks like, based on your IP address you used to post to the forum that your neighbour has been downloading your porn collection and email folders. I also noticed your copy of MS office is not legal.

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Your ISP may wellness port probing to see if you are running servers, or some teen with a copy of nMap may be subnet scanning, either way your firewall picked it up. If you have sensitive data on a laptop, make sureyou have encryption.
All I understood was the "wellness" part... although I am even there not sure. What exactly is "wellness port probing"?
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All I understood was the "wellness" part... although I am even there not sure. What exactly is "wellness port probing"?
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Hi there, we have only been in Zurich for four months and both my husband and have both experienced some one trying to hack into our Laptops a couple of times since we have been here. Thankfully we have all the Firewall protections on both our Laptops. The Warning that came up whilst it was happening was very different to any we have seen before.
You say the warning was very different. Could that be because it was a fake warning? You know what I mean: You get a message box notifying you of some kind of utterly serious problem such as a virus infection, hacker intrusion or the like. It asks you to click on a button to remove the threat. You click, and bang, you just downloaded the malware. Then the authors of the attack will tell you that they will rid your system of the infection they caused, and that for good money.

That kind of cr@p cannot be intercepted by firewalls and anti-virus software, because it's based on a simple pop-up, and your own action (clicking etc.) bypasses most security measures.
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P.S: Thanks AbFab for the link. My Mac passes all tests with perfect scores without any extra software...
I'm sure it was your router passing, actually. Probe my Ports? Shields Up?

To the OP: what evidence do you have to support the fact that you both believe you were being hacked? Let me guess - a popup as you're using Internet Explorer?

Your typical router which most people will connect either to cable modem or to the phone socket have firewalls built in which are more than sufficient for basic security. Open wifi isn't......
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Hi there, we have only been in Zurich for four months and both my husband and have both experienced some one trying to hack into our Laptops a couple of times since we have been here. Thankfully we have all the Firewall protections on both our Laptops. The Warning that came up whilst it was happening was very different to any we have seen before.
So I was just wanting to know if this is a very common problem here?
If you have any advice or information about this,we would really appreciate it
Cheers Joanne
I don't see what this would have to do with your being in Switzerland anyway.

Someone can hack into your machine from Chile just as well as they can from across the street. Except the WLAN bit - for that of course they have to be within shouting distance of you.
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

A question: What is the name of the attacker? Perhapt starts like b!LLaG-TeAm.
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

I leave my wifi open because putting up a password reminds me of the countless number of coffees at Starbucks and the not-so-healthy burgers I had to eat at McDonalds just to use their wifi when I first arrived here.

If someone else uses it to commit a crime, I can easily prove it wasn't me and if someone fancies watching the pr0n on my computer, well... be my guest

To the OP: I'd ignore the warnings.... I don't think anyone would target you specifically, unless you are the hot chic who refused to go out on a date with the computer guy next door
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Re: Is Computer Hacking a Big Problem in CH?

If you're connecting to the net via a router (which I guess 99.999% people do) you're fine out-of-the-box as the router will not be forwarding requests from the internet to shady ports on your computer. Unless you made some port forwarding settings on the router, I'd not worry about it.

The other thing is to have the wifi encrypted using preferably WPA2 encryption, some wifi routers come by default with WEP encryption enabled instead of WPA2 and WEP is weaker.
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