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Of Course they are running DSL over fibre, It's called vDSL2, the whole backbone is being upgraded to fibre, and FTTH means the last mile to the home is also fibre, as opposed to FTTC, where the last mile might be copper... You have a DSL modem. You have DSL over fibre , why will you not believe this ?
I wouldn't put of course in the beginning of this sentence.
It is weird to do the biggest part of the investment (replace the whole copper with fiber) and then instead of something future-proof use VDSL2.
It is technically possible but it's not what other companies usually do.
So if you tell me that you know that this is indeed what they are doing, then I believe you.
But if you tell me that of course they are doing this because it makes sense, then I prefer to have some doubts.
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Of Course they are running DSL over fibre, It's called vDSL2, the whole backbone is being upgraded to fibre, and FTTH means the last mile to the home is also fibre, as opposed to FTTC, where the last mile might be copper... You have a DSL modem. You have DSL over fibre , why will you not believe this ?
The only difference between DOCSIS (HFC) and what you have is the fact that there is no conversion at the node from fibre to RF (coax), but with FTTH simply having fibre all the way. Cablecom are FTTN and then DOCSIS to the premises. Over your fibre, between the last fibre node and the premises you are running the DSL protocol, whereas Cablecom run DOCSIS to get from the last node to the home.

You have a DSL modem , with a fibre adaptor. Come on, get your head out of the sand. Or perhaps you might like to tell me what protocol you are running on your fibre connection and what your modem is actually demodulating ?

BTW, your profile seems to have gone from 200k to 100k and then to 50k during the last 24 hours....what has happened ? Also your speed seems to have dropped from 8.5MB/s to 6MB/s...
as lewton is writing, i dont think that swisscom is still running dsl over fibre. that would not make sense. i showed you a document where they are talking about GPON! Why do you know its only a DSL router with a Fibre adaptor?
i think the router is a variant of this one: http://broadband.adbglobal.com/web/p...rg-f4202n.page


to the profile: seriously, 68k equals 8.5 mbyte? No? The profile is still 100k (i dont know why the downgraded it, doesnt matter anyway...), thats why i can watch 3 hd-stream and still enjoy full speed downloads!
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Old 17.04.2011, 14:42
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I wouldn't put of course in the beginning of this sentence.
It is weird to do the biggest part of the investment (replace the whole copper with fiber) and then instead of something future-proof use VDSL2.
It is technically possible but it's not what other companies usually do.
So if you tell me that you know that this is indeed what they are doing, then I believe you.
But if you tell me that of course they are doing this because it makes sense, then I prefer to have some doubts.

Swisscom is a DSL network that grew up on DSL over copper and are now migrating to DSL over fibre. The backbone has always been fibre with copper from the neighborhood to the premises. Fibre has been replacing copper from the neighbourhood, and then the cabinet and now to the premises.

As I asked DaveAust, perhaps you can tell me what protocol they use over fibre or why DaveAust has a DSL modem ?

Of course, unless you know otherwise.
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Swisscom is a DSL network that grew up on DSL over copper and are now migrating to DSL over fibre. The backbone has always been fibre with copper from the neighborhood to the premises. Fibre has been replacing copper from the neighbourhood, and then the cabinet and now to the premises.

As I asked DaveAust, perhaps you can tell me what protocol they use over fibre or why DaveAust has a DSL modem ?

Of course, unless you know otherwise.
As I said, probably its GPON.
DSL compatible Router doesnt mean that the Router only handles DSL...
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Old 17.04.2011, 15:17
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

So Swisscom says you have a DSL router with a fibre adaptor, you disagree and say you have a GPON adaptor. You read up on GPON, like it and deicde to tell yourself that's what you have. You then go out and Google a GPON router and tell me you have something similar. Nice one Dave. Niiiiicccceeee research. Not.

You have a DSL router.

Swiscomm Press Release.


Berne, 22 July 2010, 10:00

Swisscom launches Centro grande - a new generation of routers

Swisscom is launching Centro grande, a new generation of faster, more efficient and future-oriented routers, whose attractive design will please even the most discerning eye. Centro grande offers ADSL as well as VDSL access, supports the fast WLAN 802.11n standard and is also available in a fibre-optic-compatible version on request. The new router will be available in Swisscom Shops from the beginning of August 2010.




As I said, a DSL router with a fibre adaptor. The adaptor does not change the protocol. It merely offers another interface.


You claim you have a GPON router. I will leave this for you to prove. I have proven to you otherwise.
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As I said, probably its GPON.
DSL compatible Router doesnt mean that the Router only handles DSL...
Swisscom are not rolling out using GPON.

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Old 17.04.2011, 18:55
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Swisscom is a DSL network that grew up on DSL over copper and are now migrating to DSL over fibre. The backbone has always been fibre with copper from the neighborhood to the premises. Fibre has been replacing copper from the neighbourhood, and then the cabinet and now to the premises.

As I asked DaveAust, perhaps you can tell me what protocol they use over fibre or why DaveAust has a DSL modem ?

Of course, unless you know otherwise.

I said I don't know so I am ready to believe you if you know it is so (but not if you assume it is so, because it is just weird).
Usually telcos prefer to deploy more future-proof technologies over a 100% Fiber to the Home network. DSL over fiber is not future-proof.
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

Swisscom are running vdsl and vdsl2 over the fibre backbone. GPON was tested in the labs 3-4 years ago but as far as I am aware only used in trials.

Trust me, I was there.
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Docsis is romping ahead of DSL.
Hear hear

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cablecom is spending a lot more money into advertising "fibre power" than actually investing into building a proper FTTH network without the problems docsis have with the bottlenecks in the headends. they are maybe coming closer to the homes (they have to, otherwise 100mbit will be the last step), but why not directly invest into a proper to the home network?
The Tagi had an article this weekend showing with great clarity why one does not deploy FTTH....

EWZ is looking to take around 20 years to turn cashflow positive from their FTTH investments.

In otherwords, it's a crap business case, where you loose money hand over fist for a long long time.

Something only the state can afford to do
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

So Dave, how do you still feel about Swisscom ? Speed wise Cablecom owns them. As for future proofing, well, seeing that they ship their best routers with 100Mb ports, and run vDSL2, I guess that dust ahead is a Cablecom customer.

Not to worry, Cablecom may well take up the spare 3 fibres and run Gigabit speeds into your house one day very soon, using P2P over FTTH...

HTH, TTFN
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

Basically Switzerland was smart enough to keep control of Swisscom so it had the power to make the company invest in a bad business case (deploy fiber optics throughout the country and make them available to its competitors).
It's a shame that major operators are not pushing into this market yet, but anyway, the infrastructure will be there for when it's needed.
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

If that helps, Cablecom changed its channels and numbers regularly, the set up is not so practical as for Swisscom ! I just switched to Swisscom and the picture quality is awesome, much better, more channels...bon the specialist who came to install the whole thing took 4 hours to achieve both internet and TV...and we had to wait 2 weeks for that... but overall Quite happy at that point with Swisscom.
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I love Coop-Budget-Mobile... They have the best dsl service for mobile phones...
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Re: Comparison of Swisscom vs. Cablecom

Speed and price are two key parameters. But have you also considered quality of service and support? I have had excellent service from Swisscom until now, but I would like to know if anyone has experienced the same / opposite with Cablecom. Cheers.
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Speed and price are two key parameters. But have you also considered quality of service and support? I have had excellent service from Swisscom until now, but I would like to know if anyone has experienced the same / opposite with Cablecom. Cheers.
There are many stories and anecdotes of ISP service in this forum. A quick search will bring them up.
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The 50meg Swisscom connection is cable though. I know because it's not available in Neuchatel just like cablecom isn't
Is this true? I have been excited about getting cablecom in my new flat. Dammit. Need to go with Swisscom then?

Couldn't get cable in Glasgow (only street in the city centre not wired up) and now can't get it here. Someone is making sure I don't watch lots of crap telly.
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Is this true? I have been excited about getting cablecom in my new flat. Dammit. Need to go with Swisscom then?

Couldn't get cable in Glasgow (only street in the city centre not wired up) and now can't get it here. Someone is making sure I don't watch lots of crap telly.

If I enter my address into the Swisscom site it says I can get up to 30meg now.

http://www.video2000.ch/net.asp/4-0-5-3-3-1/

You should be able to get this anywhere in Neuchatel.

Good to see another Weegie in the might Neuchatel though.
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If I enter my address into the Swisscom site it says I can get up to 30meg now.

http://www.video2000.ch/net.asp/4-0-5-3-3-1/

You should be able to get this anywhere in Neuchatel.

Good to see another Weegie in the might Neuchatel though.
But Video2000 is not Swisscom

Video2000 is the local cable TV operator in Neuchatel.
They are not owned by or affiliated with Swisscom
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Speed and price are two key parameters. But have you also considered quality of service and support? I have had excellent service from Swisscom until now, but I would like to know if anyone has experienced the same / opposite with Cablecom. Cheers.
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Lots of happy people, who normally don't bother to post their happyness on the internet

Same:
Lots of happy people, who normally don't bother to post their happyness on the internet

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