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Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

I just moved and am happy to have a small lawn now with a view to the south allowing me SAT-TV access I spent a few weeks researching what satellites are available, equipment, etc. and finally came to the setup shown below. I'm happy to "show-off" my set-up, but I'm also interested to know how everyone else's set-up looks like as well, so please share what equipment you have, and post a pic if possible as well

So here's mine:

Dishes:
80cm dish focused on 28.2E (free-to-air UK programming)
45cm dish focused on 13E + 19.2E (free-to-air Swiss+German programming)

LNB's: Invacom for the weaker 28.2, and Sharp for the strong 13+19E signals

Receiver: Kathrein UFS912 with ethernet connection to a 1TB NAS, which is cool, since it allows me to record TV programs and then stream them from my PC


...oh, and one useful tool for finding sats was this (Satlink ws9606), it's bascially a hand-held sat receiver and TV screen so you can see immediately what sat you lock onto.

Also useful for finding azimuth/elevation info was:
http://en.kingofsat.net/satellites.php

...and for finding FTA channel info and sat info:
http://en.kingofsat.net/satellites.php


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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

Right, post your sat set-up, don't post your physical address and work/vacation schedule, and there shouldn't be much to fear.

Anyway, theives have other ways of identifying owners of sat-tv equipment besides trolling EF, like looking for a round looking dish outside
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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

Why 2 separate satellites instead of 1 - so that you get better reception?

I have an 80cm triax dish with 3 Smart twin LNBs on a triax extender arm, pointing at 13,18,28e. So 2 signals from each sat goes into

2 Spaun 4x1 diseq switches sending 2 separate signals.

30 meters of cable from my back yard via my (unused) balcony doors into my living room. I use flat cable connectors to get it under the doors.

The 2 signals goes into the twin tuners of my Topfield 2410 which has a 500GB HDD. Chose Topfield over Kathrein and Technisat as it allows for TAPs - think of it as Apps for a sat box, so it has many many interesting functions.
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Why 2 separate satellites instead of 1 - so that you get better reception?
I have some obsticals (tree-line, buildings) that make the line-of-sight to the sats kind of tricky, kind of like threading a needle. I tried several combinations of dishes and wasn't able to get all 3 sats on the same dish.

I chose Kathrein over other brands, because I know this company for a long time from working with cellular networks (probably 80% of cellular antennas in Europe are Kathrein). They are a really good company with high-quality products, so when I saw they made sat-boxes I had to get one You are right tho, there's other boxes out there that are more flexible in terms of modified software and things like that. But hardware-wise, Kathrein is hard to beat.

What's the advantage of twin tuners? So you can watch one channel and record another?

I have a Schwaiger DiSEqC 4x1 switch that the LNB's feed into with a single cable going into my home. The cable is brown Technisat 115dB and about 30m or so long.
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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

I picked up a 80cm dish with 3LNBs from someone on EF recently, with the intention of receiving (at least) free-to-air UK channels (freesat from Astra 2D on 28.2?).

So far, I have done nothing with it, but the plan is to place it on my balcony, which has line of sight as far as I can tell using www.dishpointer.com (I selected both 28.2E ASTRA 2A|ASTRA 2B|ASTRA 2D and the multi-LNB option 28.2E, 23.5E(c), 19.2E on the drop-down).

Now, for lining up - I'm a cheapskate and don't want to spend 200chfs on a clever sat tuner - do the cheap 30sfr meters at media markt work, or are these just a waste ? Is it worth trying without, just using guidance from www.dishpointer.com ? I guess I can get the 'horizontal' bit approx. but maybe not so easy the 'vertical' bit (I'm worried about Elevation, Azimuth true, Azimuth Magn., LNB skew....). Of the 3 LNBs - do these point to the same place to increase reception, or different places for different channels, or some combination (this must sound really dumb I guess....)

Assuming I can line it up - I need a tuner. Am I right that if I have a TV with built in DVB-S2 this will be the best option (ease of use, less boxes etc) - if I don't have such, then I need a separate tuner box, which seems to cost anything between 60 sfr and 1000 sfr. Guidance please anyone ? Bear in mind this is basically for watching UK telly plus whatever else I can get for free. I'm no power user.... Do I need to be careful to check it can get Freesat, or can anything get this ? Will I need any sort of activation card (CI+ etc) for free UK channels (I assume not...)

Do I have to check the LNBs ? Do I have to match them in any way to the receiver/tuner/TV ? I have no idea what they are, other than there are 3 of them mounted on the dish.

Anything else I should consider ? Any help appreciated.
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So far, I have done nothing with it, but the plan is to place it on my balcony, which has line of sight as far as I can tell using www.dishpointer.com (I selected both 28.2E ASTRA 2A|ASTRA 2B|ASTRA 2D and the multi-LNB option 28.2E, 23.5E(c), 19.2E on the drop-down).

Now, for lining up - I'm a cheapskate and don't want to spend 200chfs on a clever sat tuner - do the cheap 30sfr meters at media markt work, or are these just a waste ?
The cheap 20CHF sat-beepers are fine, not a waste of money at all, money well spent actually. The only difference, is that a 20CHF sat-beeper will just tell you that you found a signal, but then you have to go inside and scan your receiver to know exactly which satellite you are fixed on. With a "clever" 300CHF sat-finder, you can see immediately what sat you are locked onto, because it has a tuner built into it.

If you are installing it for the first time, give yourself plenty of time for trial and errors. Be aware that 28.2 has a pretty big difference in elevation from 13 and 19.2, so you'll need a LNB holder that is adjustable vertically as well as horizontally (Google for "multifeedhalter höhenverstellbar", you'll see some examples)

*edit* or you can buy a pre-made Visiosat one for 13/19/28, like this. It's also a good example to see the difference in LNB heights needed. Notice the last one (28) is alot higher placed than 13 and 19. Technisat also has some "pre-made" solutions with fixed LNB's and dish that come pre-packaged.
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What's the advantage of twin tuners? So you can watch one channel and record another?
yes, watch one while recording another. Actually depending on which transponder you are on, I can sometimes record 3 or 4 different programmes while watching another. (some channels are on the same transponder on the same sat.). I can't remember the max no. of channels - have to look it up in my manual. Probably the limitation is more about the HDD writing capability.

I took more than an hour to find the sat the first time I set it up. Then I moved and had to set everything up again but took less than 5 minutes the second time round.
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I picked up a 80cm dish with 3LNBs from someone on EF recently, with the intention of receiving (at least) free-to-air UK channels (freesat from Astra 2D on 28.2?).
My personal opinion on sat - get it if there are some specific pay-TV channels that are cheaper on sat. Otherwise, for free to air, cablecom/swisscom could be better.

So if you must have Sky (sports) for example, you need Sat. Otherwise, think about the cost, i.e., the receiver itself is about Fr.200 for HD, and at that price, you don't get recording capability. Cablecom's various combo deals might be better and you get HD, recording function, plenty of English programming.

I have the sat for 2 years now I guess - Sky Germany provides the live sports that I want to watch for Fr.29 per month. However, as of next year, sports will not be offered standalone, I will be forced to buy the whole package (movies and all) and the cost will double. So I am seriously thinking of going back to cablecom...
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Re: Share Your Sat-TV Setup!

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My personal opinion on sat - get it if there are some specific pay-TV channels that are cheaper on sat. Otherwise, for free to air, cablecom/swisscom could be better.

So if you must have Sky (sports) for example, you need Sat. Otherwise, think about the cost, i.e., the receiver itself is about Fr.200 for HD, and at that price, you don't get recording capability. Cablecom's various combo deals might be better and you get HD, recording function, plenty of English programming.

I have the sat for 2 years now I guess - Sky Germany provides the live sports that I want to watch for Fr.29 per month. However, as of next year, sports will not be offered standalone, I will be forced to buy the whole package (movies and all) and the cost will double. So I am seriously thinking of going back to cablecom...
My purpose for this is initially as a second TV (avoids paying a second 15chfs/month to cablecom), then eventually to quit cablecom altogether. To date i've paid them a total of (10yrs * 12 months * (25sfr analogue + 15sfr digital)) = 5000 sfr for a bit of UK telly !! Should really get that analogue disconnected....

But this is why I am interested to know if TV with built in DVB-S2 is suitable. My second TV would need to be bought anyway, and by careful selection a TV with DVB-S2 does not have to cost much extra. Eventually if I replace my existing ageing TV and also go for one with a DVB-S2 tuner, then I can ditch cablecom altogether.
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