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Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

I'm wondering if anyone has recent experience of this in Switzerland.

It's not just the Windows which I don't want, it's the layers of Office software and "Anti Virus" software which chews up cache and fights against you when you try to remove....much like a virus! The process of removing that which you never wanted could take about a week!

When I looked years ago it was becoming possible. Dell used to have Windows priced as an optional add-on, plus I think Steg for instance would let you buy without. But that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Have we reverted to the MS monopoly again? Will I have to find somewhere in Germany to shop for this - must surely be doable there...?
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

You mean the Bloatware ? I usually erase the OS and reinstall minus the trial versions of their bloatware and / or an alternate OS such as Linux.

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It's not just the Windows which I don't want, it's the layers of Office software and "Anti Virus" software which chews up cache and fights against you when you try to remove....much like a virus! The process of removing that which you never wanted could take about a week!

Have we reverted to the MS monopoly again?
If it took you a week to remove AV and Office software, I would buy an Abacus instead. Or one of those nice games where you fit the lovely different shapes into the different shaped holes.

Back on earth, buy the parts from Stegg and build it, or look on Ebay, or buy a box prebuilt with linux if thats what you want.
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just install your new OS on new computer. job done. no need for uninstalling.
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Old 20.06.2011, 14:28
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I'm wondering if anyone has recent experience of this in Switzerland.

It's not just the Windows which I don't want, it's the layers of Office software and "Anti Virus" software which chews up cache and fights against you when you try to remove....much like a virus! The process of removing that which you never wanted could take about a week!

When I looked years ago it was becoming possible. Dell used to have Windows priced as an optional add-on, plus I think Steg for instance would let you buy without. But that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Have we reverted to the MS monopoly again? Will I have to find somewhere in Germany to shop for this - must surely be doable there...?
These software programs are a nuisance, but simple to remove if you follow the proper steps. Many will require a stand-alone 'uninstallation program' which you can download off the internet.

Everything is customizable, but for the average PC user I guess this is far too complicated.

You're best best it to build from scratch, that way you have total freedom with software/hardware. (and you will save quite a bit of money as well)
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Old 20.06.2011, 14:36
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

Steg still sells w/o an OS, or also with Ubuntu, I just checked.

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Old 20.06.2011, 14:54
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

You might want to consider Alltron.ch too:

http://www.alltron.ch/tabid/465/stuf...2/Default.aspx
PCs ohne Betriebsystem

and post an advert under the Market Place ( Wanted ) for a rough estimate what you need - I am sure there are many members happy to get rid off their hardware and include an installation if so required.
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

this guy is selling his computer in bits.. may be get them and the rest to put it together.. then you can put on whatever OS you like.
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You're best best it to build from scratch, that way you have total freedom with software/hardware. (and you will save quite a bit of money as well)
Yes, I always did this until about 10 years ago but now have grown to favour the notebook approach over a self built base unit - for when I have to work away from home.

It seems as though most (maybe all) the notebook manufacturers are still tied up with MS.

Looking again at Dell, I've found the Ubuntu to be "Available in select regions" only, so not CH. I've to fully find out which regions these are, and in any case it seems also to be not for all of their products.

From Dell DE there is at least one pre-Installed Ubuntu option (but for a base unit) - which even if you don't use is much better than pre-install Windows, as at least you're not paying for a licence before you wipe it from your drive.

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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

I know what you mean - am going through that myself too, keeping 1-2 powerful desktops and the rest changing into netbooks and notebooks.

As for the latter, I keep the license as sometimes I would need them in the event I install Windows flavours either in multi-booting or in a virtualised environment just to stay on the legit side of things.

Back in my country, I could return the laptop's MS OS fee and save a couple of $$$ and install Linux for example. Am unsure if one can do it here in CH.

When I was working at an electro-recycling plant in Horgen, ZH, I used to peel off the XP Pro license stickers from recycled CPUs that came in by the hundreds
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Steg still sells w/o an OS, or also with Ubuntu, I just checked.

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Yeah, thanks Tom.

I also see these now when are search their site for Ubuntu.

It's restricted to AMD base unit towers only, but at least it's something.
One can't select a notebook, and change the OS.

I presume the likes of Steg have little control over the pre-installed OS. MS have the manufacturers one way or the other all on board.
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

bought a laptop recently with all those unwanted trialware installed.

Didn't have problem to remove them....

I used this : http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home
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Re: Buying New computer without Operating System(ie Windows)

My laptop came from Interdiscount with Windows 7 that lasted 0.5 days before Ubuntu was installed. I now use PCLinuxOS with a windows partition.

I keep hearing of people buying iPads and new computers with the main reason being the boot up time is too long. I can get into mine and online in less than 20 seconds
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I now use PCLinuxOS with a windows partition.

I keep hearing of people buying iPads and new computers with the main reason being the boot up time is too long. I can get into mine and online in less than 20 seconds
That is a slick distro, popular in Oz as is Linux Mint, a derivative of Ubuntu, 20 seconds or less on my netbook.
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That is a slick distro, popular in Oz as is Linux Mint, a derivative of Ubuntu, 20 seconds or less on my netbook.

My window's 7 is up and purring in well under a minute. With Instant Boot, a matter of seconds (although it is kinda gimmicky).

I know linux can do it and faster and more efficiently, but I need my gaming. SimplyMepis has been running extremely well on one of my retired older machines. Very impressed with that OS!
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What about http://www.hackintosh.com/ ?
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Steg still sells w/o an OS, or also with Ubuntu, I just checked.

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Digitec sell most of their PC systems with or without Windows.

I bought one with Windows 7 for my wife and one without for myself to install Ubuntu.
The Windows box comes with a free version of Office but no additional crap as far as I can tell.
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You mean the Bloatware ? I usually erase the OS and reinstall minus the trial versions of their bloatware and / or an alternate OS such as Linux.

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You can buy Linux in Otto's, but I still haven't figured how to install it on my laptop. I poured it on, but it didn't install. On the bright-side, my laptop now smells mountain-fresh and my keyboard is really fluffy and soft.

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