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Old 21.07.2011, 22:36
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Legality of cybersquatting in CH

Hello,
there is "Multinational company X", which has many websites with different domains...except .ch, because they still don't have a presence here.
Now, if I
- Register their .ch
- Wait for them to have a presence here (if any), a few months/years/decades/centuries, keep paying in the meantime the few bucks needed to keep the domain registered under my name every year
- When they contact me to have a domain, I ask them a certain amount of money, not too high to make them cheaper to try to sue me, but high enough to "make me happy" (so, no 1M$...also because $ are becoming more worthless every day, like the £...more on the range 10-20-50K €/CHF)

Could this work, or is "cybersquatting" illegal in CH?
I will not listen to the typical answers of many unfriendly and frustrated members of this forum, that thing that it's fair for MNC to abuse us (in many different, direct and indirect ways), but as soon as someone tries to get advantage from them...they scream "you f....ing a.....le, you are not honest, those MNC are the cream of the world, they create and distribute wealth, they create jobs and sustainable growth, do not even think of doing it...bla bla".
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Old 21.07.2011, 22:42
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Re: Legality of cybersquatting in CH

Some reading material ( hope your DE is good enough ):

http://www.internetlaw.ch/CybersquattingGeg.html

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Arc...ml?cid=5010310

http://www.internet-und-recht.ch/content/view/22/39/

Domain name hijacking/Cybersquatting

http://www.eycom.ch/newsletter/legal...201004/en.aspx

http://www.decisions.ch/entscheide/id/777
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Old 21.07.2011, 22:58
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Why not just start with Linklaters.ch and let us know in due course how you got on? I hear Harbottle and Lewis are currently looking for new clients
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Hello,
there is "Multinational company X", which has many websites with different domains...except .ch, because they still don't have a presence here.
Now, if I
- Register their .ch
- Wait for them to have a presence here (if any), a few months/years/decades/centuries, keep paying in the meantime the few bucks needed to keep the domain registered under my name every year
- When they contact me to have a domain, I ask them a certain amount of money, not too high to make them cheaper to try to sue me, but high enough to "make me happy" (so, no 1M$...also because $ are becoming more worthless every day, like the £...more on the range 10-20-50K €/CHF)

Could this work, or is "cybersquatting" illegal in CH?
I will not listen to the typical answers of many unfriendly and frustrated members of this forum, that thing that it's fair for MNC to abuse us (in many different, direct and indirect ways), but as soon as someone tries to get advantage from them...they scream "you f....ing a.....le, you are not honest, those MNC are the cream of the world, they create and distribute wealth, they create jobs and sustainable growth, do not even think of doing it...bla bla".
you would lose because you cannot show a realistic reason that you need that domain name as a trademark for yourself. If you have a company called "multinationalX" yourself you can register multinationalx.ch and when the real multinationalX comes along you could win. But without such a real "reason" for having the domain you would lose and with it lose your legal fees, which would be several thousand.
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Old 21.07.2011, 23:10
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I will not listen to the typical answers of many unfriendly and frustrated members of this forum, that thing that it's fair for MNC to abuse us (in many different, direct and indirect ways), but as soon as someone tries to get advantage from them...they scream "you f....ing a.....le, you are not honest, those MNC are the cream of the world, they create and distribute wealth, they create jobs and sustainable growth, do not even think of doing it...bla bla".
So why do you bother asking, if you don't like the answers you get?
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Old 21.07.2011, 23:19
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Re: Legality of cybersquatting in CH

Sounds like a lot of hard work to me. Personally I would find a lazier way to make money.
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Old 21.07.2011, 23:20
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So...you hate MNC's because you think they're parasites but feel your own actions, driven solely by the chance for filthy lucre, are any better? Oh, and you're about 10-15 years too late to try to pull this off. Way to stay on the bleeding edge there, sport shoes. I love the arrogance of someone who hails from a country whose whole slew of social programs and cheap education is paid for by multinational oil companies. It's pretty precious.
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Re: Legality of cybersquatting in CH

option 1.
make a trip to usa, go to a shopping mall, look for someone cleaning the floor without having the "wet floor" sign on the area. Fall down, break a leg and sue.

option 2.
contact the local dealer, swallow some grapefruit size ballon, deposit them somewhere else in the world, have great time vacations, loose some kilos and get good money on the way


That is making money fast and efective */sarcasm*

If you need more options send me a pm */not*
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Old 21.07.2011, 23:35
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Legality Morality of cybersquatting in CH

Fixed that for you...

Or even

Cybersquatting= Pecuniary advantage by fraudulent means.
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Old 22.07.2011, 00:53
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I will not listen to the typical answers of many unfriendly and frustrated members of this forum,
Correct. You read them; that's how online forums work.
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Old 22.07.2011, 01:02
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Re: Legality of cybersquatting in CH

Back in 2005 when Google hadn't open some of it's European web sites, a friend of mine registered Google.mk having the same idea like yourself. Let's just say that it didn't work, the court was involved and a lot of fees.
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Back in 2005 when Google hadn't open some of it's European web sites, a friend of mine registered Google.mk having the same idea like yourself. Let's just say that it didn't work, the court was involved and a lot of fees.
...and right it didn't. Who else should benefit from such a word/domain as "Google".
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Who else should benefit from such a word/domain as "Google".
Given that the use of the word "google"-as-in-a-bogie l-o-n-g predates "google"-as-in-a-search engine, any Scot with an interest in nasal detritus should be able to benefit
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Given that the use of the word "google"-as-in-a-bogie l-o-n-g predates "google"-as-in-a-search engine, any Scot with an interest in nasal detritus should be able to benefit
You have a website for this don't you ? Admit it.
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:05
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Re: Legality of cybersquatting in CH

how it works in the real world

multinational send you a threatening letter asking you to relinquish domain name and sign it over to them, else they will sue, and they will sue you, they are a multinational with lawyers on the payroll anyway, just sitting around doing nothing but suing idiots like you, if they let one person get away with it then that sets a precedence and the flood gates open.

In the mean time they contact iccan and get the name anyway, as its easy to prove you have no valid use of it, hell you don't even live in switzerland.

you get a shit load of legal bills from them, and everyone laughs at you.
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option 2.
contact the local dealer, swallow some grapefruit size ballon, deposit them somewhere else in the world, have great time vacations, loose some kilos and get good money on the way

If you need more options send me a pm */not*
Actually the balloons are only about half the size of an eggroll, each, and they usually swallow 100 in total.

If only 99 come out... they've got bigger problems than constipation to worry about.

And what this has to do with cybersquatting? Why, the squating position, of course!
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