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Old 23.07.2011, 18:07
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Re: No dish allowed - any suggestions

At around 11 am the sun is at about 28 degrees east and has an elevation of about 10 degrees.

As these co-ordinates are similar to Astra satellites (28 degrees East of due south, ie 180 minus 28.2 degrees) does anyone know if there are anywhere on Internet Sun position prediction tables for Switzerland?

One could then line up the dish simply with the sun, once each day, at a given time of day. I could of course buy a compass!

I am certain the data exists, so that maybe on say 1st August 2011 at 10:58 am the Sun will be exactly in the position of Astra at 28.2 degrees east.
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Old 23.07.2011, 20:26
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At around 11 am the sun is at about 28 degrees east and has an elevation of about 10 degrees.

As these co-ordinates are similar to Astra satellites (28 degrees East of due south, ie 180 minus 28.2 degrees) does anyone know if there are anywhere on Internet Sun position prediction tables for Switzerland?

One could then line up the dish simply with the sun, once each day, at a given time of day. I could of course buy a compass!

I am certain the data exists, so that maybe on say 1st August 2011 at 10:58 am the Sun will be exactly in the position of Astra at 28.2 degrees east.
Seriously? Actually, I do it the other way, when I'm lost and need to get my bearings, I look for satellite dishes on peoples homes, because I know they are all pointing relatively south.
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Old 23.07.2011, 20:32
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At around 11 am the sun is at about 28 degrees east and has an elevation of about 10 degrees.

As these co-ordinates are similar to Astra satellites (28 degrees East of due south, ie 180 minus 28.2 degrees) does anyone know if there are anywhere on Internet Sun position prediction tables for Switzerland?

One could then line up the dish simply with the sun, once each day, at a given time of day. I could of course buy a compass!

I am certain the data exists, so that maybe on say 1st August 2011 at 10:58 am the Sun will be exactly in the position of Astra at 28.2 degrees east.
Alternatively, use this. You type in your address and select a satellite and it shows you on Google Earth which direction you need to be aiming. I think they also have apps to help with elevation, and augmented reality to tell if a building might be blocking your line of sight. I just applied to 3 apartments in Zurich and checked each one on the site.
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Old 23.07.2011, 20:33
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At around 11 am the sun is at about 28 degrees east and has an elevation of about 10 degrees.

As these co-ordinates are similar to Astra satellites (28 degrees East of due south, ie 180 minus 28.2 degrees) does anyone know if there are anywhere on Internet Sun position prediction tables for Switzerland?

One could then line up the dish simply with the sun, once each day, at a given time of day. I could of course buy a compass!

I am certain the data exists, so that maybe on say 1st August 2011 at 10:58 am the Sun will be exactly in the position of Astra at 28.2 degrees east.
Something like this?
You should be able to fiddle around with the times/locations etc to get what you want.
This was for Ittigen today
and for 1st August 2011 at 10:58 am
It doesn't seem to like going the other way though -I can't enter 151.8° and a place and get it to tell me the time. It gets a bit confused. But it's easy enough to narrow in on the time, and only took 4 searches to get it for today.

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Take out a subscription with Swisscom TV - used to be called Bluewin. No antenna on the wall necessary! The TV Plus subscription for CHF29 per month is excellent value imho. Over 160 channels to chose from including many English-language channels. At the moment, Swisscom is offering two months free subscription to new subscribers. Check out their website.
Swisscom TV is the possibly one of the best things that CH has to offer.

1. No dish
2. I have the necessary channels (BBC, ITV, etc)
3. Why do you want to give Murdoch more money than he already has?

Apologies, if it sounds a little harsh, but I really can't understand why people are so insistent on having Sky - is there a channel that you really cannot get by without??

Having lived in Aussie for a while, I very quickly got used to not having all the UK Channels - and watched the local ones, which was fine.

Appreciate that here is a little different, and SF1 & SF2 maybe near impossible to follow, but I think you will have to think about all the hassle that you will need to go to have a dish installed for Murdoch TV.
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Old 26.07.2011, 09:44
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I don't think he can ban a dish, as long it is not bigger then 80cm
yes he can. And some communities still require planning permission for sat dishes; in some old-town areas they're not permitted at all.

However, as long as you don't attach anything to the building structure (e.g. by putting the dish on the balcony on an unattached stand), the landlord can't ban the dish. The community still can, though.
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At around 11 am the sun is at about 28 degrees east and has an elevation of about 10 degrees.
the keywords being "around" and "about". There's no way you can set up a sat dish by simply pointing it at the sun. You can use the sun as a general guiding point for the direction, but you'll have to fine-tune using a sat-finder in any case.
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Old 26.07.2011, 09:50
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Re: No dish allowed - any suggestions

If you know someone with sky in the uk, get them to register with skyviewer online, which is the internet based platform and is free.

Sign up for a proxy host in the uk, these are quite cheap with annual supscriptions starting from around £10

Install skyviewer from the sky website then while running over your proxy, start it up. Once skyviewer is running, you are free to close your proxy and run over your own internet connection. It only checks your whereabouts when you log in.

Just make sure you have a fast internet connection and this is an easily obtainable solution, although not as good quality as the real thing.

Unfortunately, if you cant sit a dish (or a chair) on your balcony facing the correct direction, it will be very hard to install anything else. Its generally up to the owners of the building if you want to install anything on their wall or roof and it do do with keeping the building tidy and looking good. If you live in a block, then it is incredibly difficult, when 1 person has one then they all want one.

Bluewin TV is a good option, they have a lot of british freeview channels, loads of british sport (with the teleclub addon its nearly as much as sky (including 3pm saturday league matches)), and they also have a lot of movie channels and movies on demand which you can change to english
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Old 26.07.2011, 10:03
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If you know someone with sky in the uk, get them to register with skyviewer online, which is the internet based platform and is free.

Sign up for a proxy host in the uk, these are quite cheap with annual supscriptions starting from around £10

Install skyviewer from the sky website then while running over your proxy, start it up. Once skyviewer is running, you are free to close your proxy and run over your own internet connection. It only checks your whereabouts when you log in.

Just make sure you have a fast internet connection and this is an easily obtainable solution, although not as good quality as the real thing.
i think it does vary - with nothing running, picture is spot on - have had this hooked up via HDMI to my TV, and it was running OK.

But also agree that this the next best alternative if you need Murdoch TV.
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Old 26.07.2011, 10:20
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I really can't understand why people are so insistent on having Sky - is there a channel that you really cannot get by without??

Having lived in Aussie for a while, I very quickly got used to not having all the UK Channels - and watched the local ones, which was fine.

Appreciate that here is a little different, and SF1 & SF2 maybe near impossible to follow, but I think you will have to think about all the hassle that you will need to go to have a dish installed for Murdoch TV.
Satellite doesn't necessarily mean Sky. I have Freesat, which gives me BBC1, ITV1, Channel 4 in HD - plus all the rest with 20 hours recording. Cost one off Humax box at CHF390 plus 80cm dish, mounts and cables. Total about CHF550. That was 3 years ago, so far it's cost me CHF15.30 a month. If it lasts say another 5 years it will be under CHF6 a month.

That's why...

(And of course Swiss channels are free to air digital)
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Satellite doesn't necessarily mean Sky. I have Freesat, which gives me BBC1, ITV1, Channel 4 in HD - plus all the rest with 20 hours recording. Cost one off Humax box at CHF390 plus 80cm dish, mounts and cables. Total about CHF550. That was 3 years ago, so far it's cost me CHF15.30 a month. If it lasts say another 5 years it will be under CHF6 a month.

That's why...

(And of course Swiss channels are free to air digital)
Appreciate what you are saying, but I do think today IPTV is a better option.

IMHO.
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Appreciate what you are saying, but I do think today IPTV is a better option.

IMHO.
Clearly it is if you like to pay more. But otherwise, I don't see why??
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Clearly it is if you like to pay more. But otherwise, I don't see why??
No dish! Simples!

I cannot abide these things - they are a blot on a building, and I am also having to deal with Directors arguing about getting on installed in our flat in the UK -

But if that is what you require, so be it - it is always good to know that there are alternatives.
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Satellite doesn't necessarily mean Sky. I have Freesat, which gives me BBC1, ITV1, Channel 4 in HD - plus all the rest with 20 hours recording. Cost one off Humax box at CHF390 plus 80cm dish, mounts and cables. Total about CHF550. That was 3 years ago, so far it's cost me CHF15.30 a month. If it lasts say another 5 years it will be under CHF6 a month.

That's why...

(And of course Swiss channels are free to air digital)
To add that a Grundig freesat+ HD receiver w/recorder is currently GB 200 at Tesco. The satellite feed also has the "red button" BBC content, which you can't get on IPTV.
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If you know someone with sky in the uk, get them to register with skyviewer online, which is the internet based platform and is free.

Sign up for a proxy host in the uk, these are quite cheap with annual supscriptions starting from around £10

Install skyviewer from the sky website then while running over your proxy, start it up. Once skyviewer is running, you are free to close your proxy and run over your own internet connection. It only checks your whereabouts when you log in.
We have a flat in the UK with sky so I guess we can do this for ourselves!! Can you recommend a proxy host? I've used the free expat one and got tons of ads and nonsense - it was hopeless!!

Seeing that we are paying for SKy in a flat we only use a couple weekends a month it would be great to access it from Switzerland as well - thanks for the tip.
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