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Or better still, support the artists in live performances.
And they sure enough know what to charge so they won't go hungry to bed
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Seems people have completely ignored my comments about usenet.

Seriously it's faster than P2P torrents, is leech only and a lot more difficult for ISP's to work out who's doing what. (It uses the bandwidth of the host server and not several individuals with crap connections on a torrent)

Most illegal content starts out life on usenet then makes it to P2P torrents.

(You can use a proxy with usenet newsgroups, aswell as P2P which can make it very difficult for ISP's to track you down)

The best proxies are in Sweden and the Netherlands, both have lax laws on content being downloaded. However NL has been clamping down recently.

So I would suggest using a Swedish proxy. Additionally you get the full bandwidth available using proxies, and it can't be traffic shaped (slowed by the ISP at peak times a big problem in the UK) The benefit of a proxy is anonymity it's a cheap price to pay for this service.

https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb&lang=en - Swedish Pirate Party Recommended

The focus is on torrents at the moment, so do what most of the old skool net guys have been doing for ages, switch technology.

These firms are only after the muppets who do things like put out their IP's in the first place, the real dark areas of the internet have been avoiding potential problems with ease for some time!

If you must use P2P without a proxy as a MINIUMUM download Peerguardian 2 or similar which blocks ips from known companies such as sony, warner bros etc.
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Old 11.10.2011, 12:11
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Or better still, support the artists in live performances.
Erm these are called bootlegs in the main and pretty much created by guys in gigs. None of this goes to the artist but there's a whole closed community trading these, I can pretty much find any gig, any band, any place. If I tried hard enough.

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Old 11.10.2011, 12:59
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Seems people have completely ignored my comments about usenet.

Seriously it's faster than P2P torrents, is leech only and a lot more difficult for ISP's to work out who's doing what. (It uses the bandwidth of the host server and not several individuals with crap connections on a torrent)

Most illegal content starts out life on usenet then makes it to P2P torrents.

(You can use a proxy with usenet newsgroups, aswell as P2P which can make it very difficult for ISP's to track you down)

The best proxies are in Sweden and the Netherlands, both have lax laws on content being downloaded. However NL has been clamping down recently.

So I would suggest using a Swedish proxy. Additionally you get the full bandwidth available using proxies, and it can't be traffic shaped (slowed by the ISP at peak times a big problem in the UK) The benefit of a proxy is anonymity it's a cheap price to pay for this service.

https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb&lang=en - Swedish Pirate Party Recommended

The focus is on torrents at the moment, so do what most of the old skool net guys have been doing for ages, switch technology.

These firms are only after the muppets who do things like put out their IP's in the first place, the real dark areas of the internet have been avoiding potential problems with ease for some time!

If you must use P2P without a proxy as a MINIUMUM download Peerguardian 2 or similar which blocks ips from known companies such as sony, warner bros etc.
Well, actually it's quite a bit easier to track a Usenet download than a peer to peer, depending on who you are. P2P can be tracked by anyone participating in the swarm, whereas Usenet servers can be monitored by a law enforcement wire tap even more easily - all the traffic is coming from one place, and it's very easy to prove what you downloaded (as they can watch the entire file en route to you).

Proxies are good, assuming you encrypt traffic to the proxy and nobody's watching the flow between the proxy and the Usenet server.

The major advantages that Usenet has are the speed and the unidirectional nature - in a country like Switzerland, where media can apparently be downloaded without penalty (caveat: I am not a lawyer) but not uploaded so freely, you can get rid of the risk.

The downside, of course, is all the other freaky stuff that you can accidentally click onto in Usenet groups.

Oh, I forgot one - Usenet being such old tech and all, it's got that 1980s retro feel, which is either an advantage or disadvantage depending on your point of view.
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Proxies are good, assuming you encrypt traffic to the proxy and nobody's watching the flow between the proxy and the Usenet server.

Aye I can see a Swedish proxy giving up the logs for US corp or not as the case maybe.

Read this page.

https://www.relakks.com/faq/security/

RELAKKS Safe Surf enjoys the strongest legal protection possible under Swedish Law because of the service type (pre-paid flat-rate service). This means that RELAKKS do not have to keep an ordinary customer database (to be able handle transactions etc.). This is of importance if forced to hand over information.

If Swedish authorities can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they have a case for demanding subscription information from RELAKKS (they have to be of the opinion that if convicted the user will be imprisoned – fined not enough). .

RELAKKS then have to hand over the subscription information entered by you (but that’s all). RELAKKS do not store any subscribtion information about you except what you entered yourself when signing up for the RELAKKS Safe Surf service.

For Swedish authorities to force RELAKKS to hand over “traffic data” including your RELAKKS IP at a specific point in time, they will have to prove a case with the minimum sentence of two years imprisonment.


Here they're after child pedos and drugs barons not usenet traffic, which is pretty much to say if your d/l ing stuff according to Swedish law there's no way the authorities can get you unless you do something extremely naughty.

Some proxies are known to specifically not keep logs of source IP's etc/connections made. . This is the type you want if you can get it.

Is does take a little more thought than a torrent but the risks are much much less in my opinion. Proxy + Usenet is the way to go.

I noticed recently some ISP's have blocked the alt binaries on Usenet or completely withdrew access, mainly in the US, due to the draw on bandwidth/illegal content.

The files are split into binaries, so if they were monitoring they'd need to get the full set to prove an illegal download, anyway splitting hairs. I still stand by Usenet + Proxy.
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Site for those interested in the P2P/usenet movements and general news.

http://www.slyck.com/

I see Brein has popped a binaries group in NL. so they're starting to clamp down on the sources rather than the users.
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Re: Peer to Peer Sharing.....Legal in Switzerland?

or.. you can try a Russian proxy too Hell, let's better rent a botnet to retrieve stuff for us and they can blame someone else! haha, J/K , you know you -shouldn't- do this

Go for the Torrent (I use uTorrent) and has been a marvel so far. Yes you share right after downloading, so anyone can get your IP.

There was a case I read on a German forum where an attorney who was collecting IPs from a Torrent file, by himself, then checked on the real addresses for each IP and start sending letters where he stated that they (as a Firm) have registered that IP address and could proceed to a lawsuit if not given X quantity of money. That's called extortion, but worked for some people. The funny thing was that he stated which file they were downloading (illegally), so that freaked out even more the leechers.

Just a funny story to have as a background. Always watch out, as you can get F in the A anytime, by anyone.
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or.. you can try a Russian proxy too Hell, let's better rent a botnet to retrieve stuff for us and they can blame someone else! haha, J/K , you know you -shouldn't- do this

Go for the Torrent (I use uTorrent) and has been a marvel so far. Yes you share right after downloading, so anyone can get your IP.

There was a case I read on a German forum where an attorney who was collecting IPs from a Torrent file, by himself, then checked on the real addresses for each IP and start sending letters where he stated that they (as a Firm) have registered that IP address and could proceed to a lawsuit if not given X quantity of money. That's called extortion, but worked for some people. The funny thing was that he stated which file they were downloading (illegally), so that freaked out even more the leechers.

Just a funny story to have as a background. Always watch out, as you can get F in the A anytime, by anyone.
Seriously not a bad idea.

Russian proxies don't give you t+c's in english Romania has some nice infrastructure aswell.

Although I have been considering it as western Europe becomes less friendly to P2P users.

Another area I've been looking into is a Seedbox with 100mbs upstream, comes in suprisingly cheap. This can be connected to P2P+Usenet with some interesting results.

My father's big into historical video content from WW2 on all sides. He's got Tb's of data that's shifting around. (Boring I know but that's his bag)


Some links may work out a little more expensive than a VPN but you get a lot more bang for you money, filesharing on a prison level put it that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seedbox seedbox is a private dedicated server used for the uploading and downloading of digital files

http://www.slyck.com/story1577.html "Need Upload Banwidth? Get a Seedbox"

Botnet rental just made me LOL in the office, great idea!!!

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Re: Peer to Peer Sharing.....Legal in Switzerland?

By the way, if anyone else is not so tech savy and finds usenet too confusing to access, www.graboid.com is a search engine for usenet files to make the content more accessible. You pay a little each month, but its a nice program, an easy and straightforward way to purely download.
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You guys should check out SabNzb, sick beard and couch potato
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