Galaxy Nexus - Page 2

Upthehatters2008 · #21 20.10.2011, 15:14

	Quote:	porsch1909
	You'd think they'd ensure that the tester model wouldn't lag is all I'm saying.

Exactly. I would assume a Production model , without showroom tweaking, is going to be worse.

dawiz · #22 20.10.2011, 15:34

	Quote:	porsch1909
	You'd think they'd ensure that the tester model wouldn't lag is all I'm saying.

That's true - however, I'm not really sure I'm ready to trust that particular review. If that had come from Engadget or BGR, I would probably be more concerned

Phil_MCR · #23 20.10.2011, 15:41

i think most/all android phones do not use GPU to accelerate drawing, so lagginess can depend on CPU activity.

i think with android 4, they finally drew a line in the sand and put hw accelerated UI as a requirement. will be interesting to see how this performs and if there are any teething troubles.

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	Hardware-accelerated 2D drawing All Android-powered devices running Android 4.0 are required to support hardware-accelerated 2D drawing. Developers can take advantage of this to add great UI effects while maintaining optimal performance on high-resolution screens, even on phones. For example, developers can rely on accelerated scaling, rotation, and other 2D operations, as well as accelerated UI components such as TextureView and compositing modes such as filtering, blending, and opacity.

Upthehatters2008 · #24 20.10.2011, 15:42

	Quote:	dawiz
	That's true - however, I'm not really sure I'm ready to trust that particular review. If that had come from Engadget or BGR, I would probably be more concerned

Atter having a good look over the site, they seem quite professional and independent to me...They are new on the scene, and have a number of projects to launch...You take a big risk shooting down this kind of tech... They do not seem risk averse

dawiz · #25 20.10.2011, 15:46

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	i think most/all android phones do not use GPU to accelerate drawing, so lagginess can depend on CPU activity. i think with android 4, they finally drew a line in the sand and put hw accelerated UI as a requirement. will be interesting to see how this performs and if there are any teething troubles.

I just hope they don't follow the Honeycomb approach - because Honeycomb is slow as heck, I can attest to that.

dawiz · #26 20.10.2011, 15:49

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	Atter having a good look over the site, they seem quite professional and independent to me...They are new on the scene, and have a number of projects to launch...You take a big risk shooting down this kind of tech... They do not seem risk averse

Yeah, risk averse they're not :-)

I'll hold my judgment until the production model has been released. It'd be the first Nexus phone that's slow, though. The Nexus One was faster than most other phones of its time, the Nexus S was / is pretty zippy despite its mono-core processor, so I'd be surprised if Google let Samsung release a laggard with the Google stamp of approval.

#27 20.10.2011, 16:31

Was there any announcement about Google looking to homogenize the different Android skins so updates are rolled out more quickly to the HTC Sense and the Touchwiz crowd.

Phil_MCR · #28 21.10.2011, 12:25

some rumours that the phone will have a pentile matrix screen. yuk.

i don't think the pixel density is high enough to disguise the horrible pentile artefacts.

dawiz · #29 21.10.2011, 14:02

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	some rumours that the phone will have a pentile matrix screen. yuk. i don't think the pixel density is high enough to disguise the horrible pentile artefacts.

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/2...le_oled_panel/

"Does this all matter? FPHD calculates that the Galaxy Nexus' 1280 x 720 display has 1,843,200 sub-pixels, which is exactly the same as the 3.5in, 960 x 640 iPhone 4S "retina display".

In short, the Nexus' extra pixels don't deliver a better viewing experience than the iPhone's LCD. But it's no worse, either."

good enough for me - but I guess it's a slap in the face for those who thought the new screen was massively better. Although I'm not sure how "not being able to see individual pixels by the naked eye" can be drastically improved upon.

Phil_MCR · #30 21.10.2011, 15:18

It does make a difference. The stated pixel density is around 300 dpi. With pentile matrix, it is effectively equivalent to around 200 dpi for a normal sub-pixel layout.

I imagine this will be noticeable. I will definitely check it before buying, because i really hate pentile effect (and also cleartype, come to think of it).

dawiz · #31 21.10.2011, 16:08

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	It does make a difference. The stated pixel density is around 300 dpi. With pentile matrix, it is effectively equivalent to around 200 dpi for a normal sub-pixel layout. I imagine this will be noticeable. I will definitely check it before buying, because i really hate pentile effect (and also cleartype, come to think of it).

yeah, we'll see - I'm guessing the display's going to be every bit as awesome as most pre-release reviews are saying now. But then, I've never been bothered by pentile matrix displays in the first place.

Peter

Phil_MCR · #32 21.10.2011, 16:18

Yeah. I think it is down to personal preference. I prefer jaggies to chromatic weirdness, which is why i also hated cleartype.

Phil_MCR · #33 24.10.2011, 01:35

examples of the checkerboard effect:

dawiz · #34 24.10.2011, 10:33

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	examples of the checkerboard effect:

I don't generally use magnifying glasses to look at my cell-phone screen.
And again, we still don't know how the screen's going to look like. Even PenTile displays go through additional development.

Phil_MCR · #35 24.10.2011, 10:42

	Quote:	dawiz
	I don't generally use magnifying glasses to look at my cell-phone screen. And again, we still don't know how the screen's going to look like. Even PenTile displays go through additional development.

well, it is noticeable without a magnifying glass

i'm hoping it will be ok too since, i would like to get this phone. i suspect the actual effective resolution for things like text (i use it mainly for reading) will be closer to 900x520 (closer to qHD resolution) due to pentile matrix - which is still good, but i would of course have preferred the non-pentile layout. Hopefully will be an improvement on the Motorola:

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	Update: After spending a lengthy amount of time (our review) with the DROIDX2 after writing this post, we can conclude that this might be one of our least favorite screens of all time. qHD to Motorola is indeed just a marketing term, because this screen is no where near HD-quality. You can see pixels on the device with a naked eye, colors are never correct, and the instant head pounding that you receive while scrolling through anything is something I’ve never seen from another phone. It’s not pretty in the Moto PenTile world.

dawiz · #36 24.10.2011, 11:08

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	but i would of course have preferred the non-pentile layout.

so would I - I just hope it's better than expected

Phil_MCR · #37 10.11.2011, 15:16

	Quote:	dawiz
	so would I - I just hope it's better than expected

i just got my galaxy note and if the screen on this is anything to go by, then the nexus shouldn't be a problem as it has higher pixel density than the note.

in summary

- the pixel density is high enough that text of a sensible size is rendered legibly.
- colours are not quite right
- pentile artifacts are apparent/visible (e.g. checkerboarding)

dawiz · #38 10.11.2011, 21:15

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	i just got my galaxy note and if the screen on this is anything to go by, then the nexus shouldn't be a problem as it has higher pixel density than the note. in summary - the pixel density is high enough that text of a sensible size is rendered legibly. - colours are not quite right - pentile artifacts are apparent/visible (e.g. checkerboarding)

Is the screen on the galaxy note an issue?

Phil_MCR · #39 10.11.2011, 21:34

	Quote:	dawiz
	Is the screen on the galaxy note an issue?

The screen is nice. You can tell edges of text are a bit fuzzy due to pentile, but I don't mind it. I was more concerned regarding the legibility of small text, but this OK for me also.

dawiz · #40 10.11.2011, 21:39

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	The screen is nice. You can tell edges of text are a bit fuzzy due to pentile, but I don't mind it. I was more concerned regarding the legibility of small text, but this OK for me also.

That's great news. Now I'm really looking forward to the Nexus. Hoping it'll finally get an official release date for Switzerland soon. It's been confirmed that Sunrise will carry it and that Swisscom won't get it. I'm still waiting for an announcement concerning the unbranded, SIM-free version, though