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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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You can also hold the fascinated attention of people at dinner parties by telling them that the ISO standard power plug is actually the Swiss pattern 3-pin, and that it is also used in Brazil.
can you invite me to your dinner parties?
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can you invite me to your dinner parties?
Sure, but you have to bring an interesting plug or socket that we haven't seen before so we have something to talk about.

Or we could discuss the interesting aspects of the fact that French plugs are German....
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Old 25.10.2011, 08:38
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

Dare I say it, but this thread is useless without photos.

We can all agree that
- UK plugs are useless on the continent
- Swiss 3 pin plugs are useless outside of CH (and Brazil)
- if a device is earthed you need a 3 pin
- if not, a 2 pin
- don't go to ECB's house, the electrical wiring is clearly unsafe

But to support some views here
- I have come across Swiss 2 pin plugs that don't fit EU sockets - or is it the other way around...
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Old 25.10.2011, 09:35
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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Dare I say it, but this thread is useless without photos.

We can all agree that
- UK plugs are useless on the continent
- Swiss 3 pin plugs are useless outside of CH (and Brazil)
- if a device is earthed you need a 3 pin
- if not, a 2 pin
- don't go to ECB's house, the electrical wiring is clearly unsafe

But to support some views here
- I have come across Swiss 2 pin plugs that don't fit EU sockets - or is it the other way around...
Just to clarify:

If a device should be earthed, you need a three pin.

(It's not earthed until you connect it to earth via the third pin).

How do you know whether it needs an earth?

It will need an earth if it doesn't show the following symbol on the body or label of the appliance:

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Appliances with a metal body or metals parts which you can touch almost always need an earth connection.
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Old 25.10.2011, 09:52
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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Anyways, its immaterial because we both agree that French plugs have the wrong sized pins to work in CH sockets.
No. We don't. Please don't put words into my mouth.
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Old 25.10.2011, 10:10
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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So for many things there's no need to shell out on the more expensive 3-pin lozenge-shaped Swiss ones. Narrow 2-pin ones, including those from France and Germany, will do just as well at half the price (in CH, even less in t'other countries).
I find this debate that has arisen between French 2-pin vs. Swiss 3-pin a bit unnecessary and possibly for some, confusing.

The cost of a Swiss 3-pin from any of the places aforementioned is somewhere between one and two chufs. Even if the French 2-pins are half the price, the savings made on a dozen or so appliances is negliable, and would probably only just cover the price of a sarnie and a beer on his next flight across with SleazyJet.
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Old 25.10.2011, 11:26
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Dare I say it, but this thread is useless without photos.

We can all agree that
- UK plugs are useless on the continent
- Swiss 3 pin plugs are useless outside of CH (and Brazil)
- if a device is earthed you need a 3 pin
- if not, a 2 pin
- don't go to ECB's house, the electrical wiring is clearly unsafe
No .. it's perfectly safe .. its just the person using it ..
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Old 25.10.2011, 11:59
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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We can all agree that
- UK plugs are useless on the continent
- Swiss 3 pin plugs are useless outside of CH (and Brazil)
- if a device is earthed you need a 3 pin
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- Don't go to Ace1's house, the electrical wiring is clearly unsafe
I cannot understand why Ace1 is insisting that French 2 pin plugs are safe to use in Switzerland when about 10 years ago the Swiss 2 pin DIY plugs were withdrawn from sale here, and they are no longer Swiss approved.
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I cannot understand why Ace1 is insisting that French 2 pin plugs are safe to use in Switzerland when about 10 years ago the Swiss 2 pin DIY plugs were withdrawn from sale here, and they are no longer Swiss approved.
You're Swiss, aren't you? These things show, you know.
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Old 25.10.2011, 14:11
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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You're Swiss, aren't you? These things show, you know.
My son is a qualified Swiss electrician. The Swiss rules are there to protect innocent people, including EF members. The 2 pin DIY plugs were approved, and you could buy them in the Migros. Now you can't, I wonder why?

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Old 25.10.2011, 14:38
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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My son is a qualified Swiss electrician. The Swiss rules are there to protect innocent people, including EF members. The 2 pin DIY plugs were approved, and you could buy them in the Migros. Now you can't, I wonder why?

I am very tempted to be extremely rude to you, but I won't.
I'm not Swiss but agree with SBrinz.

The big problem with plugs etc is that if you give people an option that confuses them, they'll quite possible make an incorrect decision based on their limited knowledge.

So, sell two pin plugs and people will wonder what to do with the third wire in the cord of their Class I appliance (requiring an earth). They'll make a decision to either cut it off leave it dangling in the plug or join it to the neutral (or something equally bizarre).
They'll probably never realise that they in fact bought the wrong plug.

And you know why - because they don't understand the differences between class I and class II appliances. And why should they?

Once when I shared a house, a house-mate decided to mow the lawn for the first and last time. The grass was too long for the electric mower,the motor got stuck and he blew the fuse in the plug.

So, he took out the fuse and replaced it with a piece of cooking foil.

The mower started up and then stopped. He then gave up.

When we came back after a weekend away, the fridge was warm and the freezer had de-frosted. By by-passing the fuse for the mower, he blew the house fuse instead.

His actions made sense to him at the time. But they weren't right.

Same with DIY two-pin plugs. Idiots will misuse them.
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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My son is a qualified Swiss electrician. The Swiss rules are there to protect innocent people, including EF members. The 2 pin DIY plugs were approved, and you could buy them in the Migros. Now you can't, I wonder why?

I am very tempted to be extremely rude to you, but I won't.
Interesting that those plugs are perfectly safe everywhere else (obviously for the right appliances as explained by someone above)...
I have read an interesting book over the weekend called "Living and working in Switzeland". The book says "In Switzerland, what in not obligatory is forbidden". Your position somehow resonates with this :-)
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

Switzerland works well because we all follow the rules and regulations, if we didn't we would have the chaos of a third world country. It is true that everything is regulated or forbidden, we just have to get used to that and enjoy the results, or pay the fines, or leave.
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My son is a qualified Swiss electrician. The Swiss rules are there to protect innocent people, including EF members. The 2 pin DIY plugs were approved, and you could buy them in the Migros. Now you can't, I wonder why?
Because safety has to deal with the lowest common denominator. By taking 2 pins out of sale - and come to think of it, I'm sure I've seen them for sale in Swiss shops - the government says "it is your responsibility, not ours if you choose to use another plug rather than the safer 3-pin-fits all model".

Are you suggesting that anyone visiting with an EU 2-pin plug should use an adapter? I've used a 2-pin adaptor throughout my travels in CH and EU and never had a problem. But then I have a brain. Not everyone does, and these people need protecting more than others... (not thinking of you ecb... ).

This is a similar discussion to speed limits: 120 is the limit here, 130 in France and 120-unlimited in D. They are all legal in their countries but not in others, yet the car and driver might be the same. There is no real right or wrong, simply a different of opinion and legislation*.

*the former being for naughty Auslanders and the latter being for the Swiss.
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Are you suggesting that anyone visiting with an EU 2-pin plug should use an adapter? I've used a 2-pin adaptor throughout my travels in CH and EU and never had a problem. But then I have a brain. Not everyone does, and these people need protecting more than others... (not thinking of you ecb... ).
Too funny! I was beginning to feel more and more foolish as this thread progressed .. But I kind of agree that when it comes to electricity (oh and we might as well add cars to that) I do need a - ahem - certain amount of guidance.
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Re: Difficulty adapting ( UK to CH power plugs )

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Switzerland works well because we all follow the rules and regulations, if we didn't we would have the chaos of a third world country. It is true that everything is regulated or forbidden, we just have to get used to that and enjoy the results, or pay the fines, or leave.

You are perhaps to great extent right. I am not saying people should break the rules. I would just offer two thoughts to consider:
- I understand that what Ace1 ment was that in most (if not all) countries people would not take the fact that something has been taken out of shelf as a proof it the item being dangerous and "stay away from it" without at least giving it some thought. He was referring to a cultural difference - so not point of overreacting
- Switzerland is successful - no doubt about it. The thing with many successful people, companies and countries is that they do most of the key things right. However they often tend to believe they do everything bright/best.
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