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do u know why most european dubbed imported movies and tv series into their language ?
I think the simple answer is... because they can. As other have mentioned, quite a few channels broadcast in dual language anyway, sometimes also giving a subtitle option on digital broadcasts, but clearly most folk normally prefer to watch TV in their own language, and the size of the French, German and Italian-speaking markets, and their respective broadcast industries, makes it worthwhile to produce local versions, which will attract many more viewers than if they simply sub-titles them.

All else apart, many subtitled movies are done so on a budget basis and very often miss the nuances of the original. While that may also be true in some case for dubbing, here in Europe it's usually done well and professionally, so doesn't suffer too much.
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Old 20.01.2012, 14:08
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

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I think the simple answer is... because they can. As other have mentioned, quite a few channels broadcast in dual language anyway, sometimes also giving a subtitle option on digital broadcasts, but clearly most folk normally prefer to watch TV in their own language, and the size of the French, German and Italian-speaking markets, and their respective broadcast industries, makes it worthwhile to produce local versions, which will attract many more viewers than if they simply sub-titles them.
I agree. It is probably a combination of demand from the viewing audience and the fact that the "Europeans" had the money and ability to do it.

Personally. I hate dubbed movies...
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

I guess for the same reason why Hollywood produces so many remakes - it is more familiar (faces/language/background) to the local clientele and therefore easier to watch..
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Some people are trying to help you. I find your response flippant and rude.
when im asking where can i find apple tree, and people helping me by directing me to mango tree, all i can say is, im looking for apple, not mango, then its consider rude ???
i appreciate those who answer my question, those who is not, i tried to show what's my question is
u thought u help me by telling me some tv programs, thats not what im looking for
and when i pointed out my question, u flipped off
how can that posibly happen ?
you angry because u think i dont appreciate 'ur hep' ?
i do appreciate, but im not searching for a help
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Old 20.01.2012, 14:14
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

And then there are programs and films where the German version is better than the original English one.
Life of Brain comes to mind.
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Old 20.01.2012, 14:17
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And then there are programs and films where the German version is better than the original English one.
Life of Brain comes to mind.


You are suggesting that a dubbed Life of Brian is better than the original by the Monty Python crew...

Seriously?

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And then there are programs and films where the German version is better than the original English one.
Life of Brain comes to mind.
They didn't change the name of the title character, did they?
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Your justification is based on conjecture. Literacy in the mid-20th century wasn't 100%.
Literacy in the mid-20th century in the US was higher than it is now, same as in most Western European countries.

And yes, they did have toilet paper.
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when im asking where can i find apple tree, and people helping me by directing me to mango tree, all i can say is, im looking for apple, not mango, then its consider rude ???
i appreciate those who answer my question, those who is not, i tried to show what's my question is
You need to understand that asking a question here, like on any forum, will elicit a general discussion about the topic, not just simple yes/no answers. If you only want that, then you need to use better, more concise English to ensure that your meaning is clear, rather than explaining all your own reasoning, which clearly reads like you're wanting to start a general discussion of the points you raise.

And rude? Arrogant? No, I don't think so either, but it seems there are quite a lot of over-sensitive people here, who send the old red blobbies and groans at the slightest hint of dissent in the ranks. If you stick around you'll need to develop a tougher skin
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Old 20.01.2012, 14:25
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You are suggesting that a dubbed Life of Brian is better than the original by the Monty Python crew...

Seriously?

Yes!
http://www.olafswelt.de/fun/brian/brian.htm

Enjoy the German dialogue.
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Old 20.01.2012, 14:32
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Personally. I hate dubbed movies...
Me too. Regardless of what language they were made in.

Well, perhaps not quite, but if it's a language which makes any sort of sense to me then I'd prefer it to be subtitled. So French, of course, and I don't need the subtitles; German, Italian, yeah, better with; Dutch, Swedish and other germanic languages, much better with subtitles, as I start to hear where their words are similar to some I may already know; Chinese, Indian and other Asian languages? No thanks, if I'd want to watch them at all, I'd prefer them dubbed into English.
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Which brings me to why dubbing exists: Literacy.

As explained to me by a German man, dubbing versus subtitling had a lot to do with literacy in the country. So in countries where literacy was low, dubbing was more favored.
Dubbing is not done when there's no demand for foreign language movies (UK, USA) or when dubbing is too expensive (Netherlands, Sweden). Literacy has nothing to do with it.

Switzerland is an island among countries where dubbing is far more prevalent. Good luck finding original audio on any french, german, italian or austrian TV channels. It's the norm in Switzerland but hardly exists there.

Subtitling used to be the norm in swiss cinemas and exotic in Germany. Unfortunately this has changed a bit.
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

I tend to agree with the posters who said that dubbing has to do with size of the market and meeting market demand (i.e. because they can), and the fact that people watch TV for entertainment and prefer/it's easier for them to be entertained in their own language.

To this, I'll add my personal opinion that I can't stand dubbing, in any language. If I don't understand the language, I'll put the subtitiles on (on this note, I think there is the subtitle option on most TVs), or if I am too lazy to read the subtitles, I'll watch something else.

Only exception I make is with cartoons - it is fair IMO that little kids* should be able to watch their favorite cartoons in a language they understand.

*Little kids or...ehm...adults learning the language. Sometimes I feel dumb, but I watch lots of cartoons in German because the level of language is easy for me to understand and it helps me learn. Perhaps soon I'll "graduate" to the news
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

i think it was Fellini who said that a country is measured for the quality of cinema, by the quality of dubbing. In addition - he used to dub all his films in Italian, although the actors were speaking Italian themselves...
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Old 20.01.2012, 15:23
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I tend to agree with the posters who said that dubbing has to do with size of the market and meeting market demand (i.e. because they can), and the fact that people watch TV for entertainment and prefer/it's easier for them to be entertained in their own language.

To this, I'll add my personal opinion that I can't stand dubbing, in any language. If I don't understand the language, I'll put the subtitiles on (on this note, I think there is the subtitle option on most TVs), or if I am too lazy to read the subtitles, I'll watch something else.

Only exception I make is with cartoons - it is fair IMO that little kids* should be able to watch their favorite cartoons in a language they understand.

*Little kids or...ehm...adults learning the language. Sometimes I feel dumb, but I watch lots of cartoons in German because the level of language is easy for me to understand and it helps me learn. Perhaps soon I'll "graduate" to the news
He! He! Then there are those who regard the German version of tellytubbies a steep learning curve.
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

Its really sad to watch a movie/series that was originally in English dubbed in another language. Before I met my wife she had never heard the real voice of any american actor because all her life she had been accustomed to watching all the series/movies dubbed in Italian. I think that here in Switzerland is not as bad as other european countries where it would be merely impossible to catch a film in the movie theather in English with German and French subtitles.
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I can remember a time in the US when subtitles were abhored. I think that's changed quite a bit in the past 10-20 years. Now a dubbed movie is virtually impossible to find. Quite ironic considering most Americans don't even speak a second language.
Yes, but maybe the sector of the market that likes foreign films coincides with those who do know some languages.
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Old 20.01.2012, 16:19
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You are suggesting that a dubbed Life of Brian is better than the original by the Monty Python crew...

Seriously?

Actually I would agree.
Virtually all fillms lose quality through translation, and funny films most of all. But the Life Of Brian is one brilliant exception. Maybe because they didn't translate all the dialogues literally but deviated here and there and replaced them by jokes that work better in German. It's probably the best translation I've ever come across.

Compare the timing and the delivery in the "what have the romans done for us?" scene and you'll see the German translators did an absolutely stunning job.
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Actually I would agree.
Virtually all fillms lose quality through translation, and funny films most of all. But the Life Of Brian is one brilliant exception. Maybe because they didn't translate all the dialogues literally but deviated here and there and replaced them by jokes that work better in German. It's probably the best translation I've ever come across.

Compare the timing and the delivery in the "what have the romans done for us?" scene and you'll see the German translators did an absolutely stunning job.
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Re: Do You Know Why Everything on TV Is Dubbed?

What I hate is when a show or documentary is in english and then they have a german voice speaking over it so that you dont understand it. How is it not more annoying to hear everything twice than it is to have subtitles. Furthermore, i watch this show "Goodbye Deutschland" and it often involves people speaking a foreign language. The strange thing they do is dub over the German person speaking the foreign language, but for the native speaker they have subtitles. That baffles me!!

I also second earlier poster who say that in the Nordic countries and the Netherlands, most imported shows have subtitles. It really shows as it seems everyone can speak english or at least understand it very well. A co worker of mine had to work at a danish company for two years determined to learn the language while there, but couldnt because everyone from management to workers in the factory spoke english to him
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