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Old 14.06.2012, 12:10
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

So what's the verdict on the imac? Will it be updated or dropped do you think?
I was thinking of getting one in the winter when my mpb will be 2 years old, but maybe a new mpb will have to be the aim.
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Old 14.06.2012, 12:21
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So what's the verdict on the imac? Will it be updated or dropped do you think?
I was thinking of getting one in the winter when my mpb will be 2 years old, but maybe a new mpb will have to be the aim.
Rumour mill has it a new iMac will be out early 2013...
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Old 14.06.2012, 12:37
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Rumour mill has it a new iMac will be out early 2013...
The updated rumour mill is saying autumn. However it will still be 2013 for the new Mac Pro.

Ah, it's Apple, who knows.
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Old 14.06.2012, 21:04
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

Well, I went to Interdiscount and had a gander, the minimac was not on stock and I bubbled over to Saturn in the Stucki-mausoleum and saw a mac for CHF 659, then went to MediaMarkt in the SBB, there the things went for 639 over the counter, I told the guy that inter discount had them for 599 he checked changed the price and now I am proud owner of a minimac for 599:mannered:
I have it running on a LG 299 Chuff telly over the HDMI port, it has just been fed with a 250 GB, 57 layer Photoshop file and the thing did not even gag.
Quite impressed (at the moment)
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Old 19.06.2012, 22:00
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

I received my Retina MBP today. The screen is UNBELIEVABLE. However, I'd strongly advise against buying this computer at the moment: non-retina ready apps look so bad, they're basically unusable. There's NO word processor that supports the new resolution (not even Pages was updated). MS office almost makes my eyes fall out :-(

I'll have to keep my old 13 MBP for the time being, although I had planned on selling it to finance the Retina.

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Old 19.06.2012, 22:10
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

To steal a post from the Macrumors forum - have you tried changing the resolution away from the "optimised for Retina" setting or whatever it's called?
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Not so bad you can't use it at all, but looks nothing like the text I'm typing now in Safari , which is mind blowing.

Hopefully it does get updated soon, but who knows this is a MS product.
Might have to switch to iWork, in a month or so.

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I bumped the resolution up one from default (retina) to 1680x1050.

It looks fine, actually it looks very,very good. (Tried Word and Excel)

Of course it will look better, once they update.
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Old 19.06.2012, 22:16
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To steal a post from the Macrumors forum - have you tried changing the resolution away from the "optimised for Retina" setting or whatever it's called?
thanks - that improved it slightly. Still looks like a**, though, and gives me a headache :-/
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Without wanting to start an Apple v PC debate, I'd like some advice please. I've made a decision to migrate to Apple. I'm talking iPad / computers rather than iPhone.

I would like an iPad. I would like a big screen. I would like a laptop. But to get all three would probably be too extravagant. If I could get just two of those, which should I go for? Here are some clues:

I do a lot of travelling on public transport - within Europe and domestically.

I consume a lot of content - movies, sporting events, online newspapers, e-books etc.

But I also create a lot. I blog, build websites, edit images and video, write reports and so on.

I work from home around 3 days a week - preferring to work at a desk than on my lap in an armchair. I don't mind using a laptop on a desk, but I do hanker after an iMac. But would I miss the versatility and power of a Pro/Air v iPad when travelling?

No fixed budget. Around 2000 CHF is a rough target, but could stretch if really worth it.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Did you decide and get one? I ordered the MBA 13" with additional RAM. Should arrive in 10 days....
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

I had this issue when moving to Switzerland, and had to give up a windows machine, ubuntu workstation and ubuntu server.

Server aside (I replaced it with a Synology NAS device), I managed to migrate over to a Macbook Pro with the memory and hard drive upgrade (I think to 750Gb).

I also ordered it with VMWare, and installed a Windows and an Ubuntu Virtual machine so I can still run those odds and ends that do not work on Apple or are not available.
VMWare is rather good, ok it is not the same as having the machine itself, but works well enough.

Then you do not have to give anything up!
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Old 21.06.2012, 16:27
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VMWare is rather good, ok it is not the same as having the machine itself, but works well enough.
No kernel panics? I got those about twice a day when I tried VMware. Same goes for Parallels - as soon as I had installed it, the Mac started crashing like crazy
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Old 21.06.2012, 17:24
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No kernel panics? I got those about twice a day when I tried VMware. Same goes for Parallels - as soon as I had installed it, the Mac started crashing like crazy
Sounds like you had some duff memory in the machine as that is generally the cause of a kernel panic. Also a VM is far more likely to cause a panic if it operates over a bad bit of memory then an ordinary app, which more often than not will just "unexpectedly quit".

Note to those who worry about their machines - an occasional "unexpected quit" is to be expected and does not mean bad memory.
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Old 21.06.2012, 17:40
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Note to those who worry about their machines - an occasional "unexpected quit" is to be expected and does not mean bad memory.
That's good to know, because if you have a Macbook Air or the Pro Retina, the memory is soldered on to the main board.
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Old 21.06.2012, 17:51
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That's good to know, because if you have a Macbook Air or the Pro Retina, the memory is soldered on to the main board.
Yep, and if you have a MacBook Air and it's OOW it'll cost around 550 to 650 CHF to put it right in the case of bad memory, and the retina main board will almost certainly cost more. Ouch.
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Old 21.06.2012, 18:39
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Sounds like you had some duff memory in the machine as that is generally the cause of a kernel panic. Also a VM is far more likely to cause a panic if it operates over a bad bit of memory then an ordinary app, which more often than not will just "unexpectedly quit".

Note to those who worry about their machines - an occasional "unexpected quit" is to be expected and does not mean bad memory.
that was my first thought - I exchanged the memory in my MBP (wanted to upgrade to 8gb anyway) but that didn't help. In the end I also upped the hard drive to an SSD (not because of it, of course), reinstalled everything and it was still giving me kernel panics. That stopped the minute I uninstalled VMware and started again when I installed Parallels. Also, the memory theory is probably faulty in that the notebook crashed without Parallels or VMware running. Of course, the kext was loaded upon booting, though.

I'm not the only one with that particular problem. Both products are known to cause this and there doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem:

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mic...rnalId=1027671

http://kb.parallels.com/en/112632

http://forum.parallels.com/tags.php?tag=kernel+panic
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Old 21.06.2012, 19:42
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that was my first thought - I exchanged the memory in my MBP (wanted to upgrade to 8gb anyway) but that didn't help. In the end I also upped the hard drive to an SSD (not because of it, of course), reinstalled everything and it was still giving me kernel panics. That stopped the minute I uninstalled VMware and started again when I installed Parallels. Also, the memory theory is probably faulty in that the notebook crashed without Parallels or VMware running. Of course, the kext was loaded upon booting, though.

I'm not the only one with that particular problem. Both products are known to cause this and there doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem:

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mic...rnalId=1027671

http://kb.parallels.com/en/112632

http://forum.parallels.com/tags.php?tag=kernel+panic
Well, for my VM needs I use Virtual Box - not as slick as VMWare or Parallels, but stable and free. If you need tight desktop integration then it's probably not for you, but for running sandboxed VMs it's fine, and it's never so much as burped in the 3 years or so I've been using it.
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Old 22.06.2012, 07:16
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

A hint for those those who bought a Retina MBP: OpenOffice.org works ok on this. The icons still look like crap, but at least the text scales nicely. I've been trying to get used to MS Office and Pages and both are, in my opinion, unusable at the moment on the Retina Macs. I personally strongly dislike OO.org - but it'll have to do until Apple optimizes Pages.
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

dawiz - learnt any tips for making MS Office usable on the Retina pro? I'm still weighing up my options (ok, not literally else the Retina would win) between the Retina and non-Retina Macbooks.

I'm leaning toward the Retina just because if I order the non-Retina with an SSD it comes in at the same price. I know I could buy the cheapest non-Retina, a third party SSD, and third party RAM and build a nice machine for less, but ... the Retina will work out of the box and is lighter and, well, has the Retina screen.
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dawiz - learnt any tips for making MS Office usable on the Retina pro? I'm still weighing up my options (ok, not literally else the Retina would win) between the Retina and non-Retina Macbooks.

I'm leaning toward the Retina just because if I order the non-Retina with an SSD it comes in at the same price. I know I could buy the cheapest non-Retina, a third party SSD, and third party RAM and build a nice machine for less, but ... the Retina will work out of the box and is lighter and, well, has the Retina screen.
MS Office remains unusable for me. You can crank up the resolution to max and then zoom in in MS Word - that's what a lot of people seem to be doing to cope. I personally can't work like this. I resorted to using Pages for the time being.

As for pricing: pretty much any computer you buy today is cheaper than the Retina - that includes Macbook Airs with 256gb SSD, the Asus UX31a etc.

I intended to return mine but missed the 14-day window because I was in Japan. Would I recommend it at this time? Nope. Not only is the screen a huge problem with lots of apps, it's also fairly slow. Apparently, the high-res screen uses a crapload of resources. Compared to a Macbook Air, it shows quite a bit of lag scrolling through large websites etc. That improved slightly with Mountain Lion but it's still decidedly slower than the previous Macs I've had.

It also has some pros, of course: it's quiet and the screen is great for those few apps that have been updated to make use of it. The screen, however, also has some other issues - there's this burn-in phenomenon where windows that are open too long temporarily (usually until you turn off the computer for a while and let it cool down) burn in. Other people have had issues with white blodges on the screen (usually out of the box) etc. I personally only see the burn-in on mine. Apart from that, it seems fine so far.
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Old 03.08.2012, 00:29
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Re: Migrating to Apple - advice please

Wow, thanks for that hit of realism! I know the Air is cool, but there's no 15" one

So I'm back to ordering the Macbook Pro 15" non-retina and doing the upgrade myself. My backup plan (backup to the Retina that you've now warned me off) was to buy the non-Retina with the 750GB 7200rpm disk, replace it with a 512GB SSD and use the disk in the DVD slot (there are adapters for this), and also upgrade the RAM to max with 3rd party chips. I think max is 16GB.

So, more work, but I end up with a machine which can be repaired easier, has way more internal disk space, and can run Office. Which, I need for work (and actually like!).

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Wow, thanks for that hit of realism! I know the Air is cool, but there's no 15" one

So I'm back to ordering the Macbook Pro 15" non-retina and doing the upgrade myself. My backup plan (backup to the Retina that you've now warned me off) was to buy the non-Retina with the 750GB 7200rpm disk, replace it with a 512GB SSD and use the disk in the DVD slot (there are adapters for this), and also upgrade the RAM to max with 3rd party chips. I think max is 16GB.

So, more work, but I end up with a machine which can be repaired easier, has way more internal disk space, and can run Office. Which, I need for work (and actually like!).

Thanks again.
If you get an MBP with the High-Res display, you won't really see that much of a difference compared to the Retina anyway. If I could choose right now, I'd do the same as you - get a non-retina MBP with the high-res no-glare display and manually add an SSD to it. I'm sure the retina display will become the standard within a year or so - but if you need a computer now, it's probably not a good choice. As Microsoft isn't planning on releasing a new version of MS Office for Mac OS next year (they've announced that they'll add Skydrive functionality to the current version next year but won't be releasing anything else), it'll be a very long wait for a retina-ready mainstream office suite to become available.

I, too, need MS Office for work. At this time, I don't know how things are going to work out (I'm a teacher and haven't actually used the computer to exchange documents because of the summer break). I might have to sell it if I don't find a way to produce compatible docx files.

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