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yupp - that's where I was coming from. I simply fail to see how at this time, anyone can claim that Android's going the way of the dodo anytime soon.
I was speaking specifically of this device having the lifespan of the Zoon.

market share is a good argument, but, apply the demographic to that market share and you will quickly see the limited market that it really has. This device, adds more value for the geeks of the world than anyone else. For the masses, it just doesn't add up to what the iPad brings.

and again, to be clear, I never said there was anything wrong with the device, nor open source, I am actually a fan of the latter. But, facts are facts, Apple has always built superior products to any of their competitors and that is why everyone always plays ketchup.

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I admit it.. im an ipad snob and though its a lot more money, I cannot see any time or place where I would deviate. I have purchased one for my parents, wife, myself, children, and twin nieces. Facetime alone has covered those costs imho (yes, it is much better than skype)..

i wish google luck, but it will be like the zune... and short road to retirement.

now, finally, with all of that said, i think it is great that device is coming out at such a good price. Anything is better than nothing I suppose

this intro makes it sound exciting... so, lets see what comes of it..
What a load of twoddle... short road to retirement? Anything is better than nothing? It is a 7-inch tablet with a quad core processor and 12-core GPU for $199... it will not only sell by the bucketload, but represents amazing value by any standards when compared to Apple... and Google are not making barely a penny on the tablet hardware itself. There's a good reason Android is starting to outpace Apple, and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple start to release some lower-priced phones and tablets in the next couple of years too to compete.
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Old 30.06.2012, 15:56
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I was speaking specifically of this device having the lifespan of the Zoon.
But that makes no sense at all. It will have the same lifespan as all other devices. In terms of being up to date I argue it will have a longer lifespan than apple products as Google won't artificially block new features for new software such as say Siri for the iphones.

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market share is a good argument, but, apply the demographic to that market share and you will quickly see the limited market that it really has. This device, adds more value for the geeks of the world than anyone else. For the masses, it just doesn't add up to what the iPad brings.

and again, to be clear, I never said there was anything wrong with the device, nor open source, I am actually a fan of the latter. But, facts are facts, Apple has always built superior products to any of their competitors and that is why everyone always plays ketchup.
Earlier you were talking of facts. I'd love you to share with us the breakdown of the demographics you have seen.

By the masses do you mean just you? In the US Apple has a 55% share of the tablet market. Remember 2 years ago the ipad had 100% of the tablet market.

Apparently the HP touchpad, a tablet which wasn't even going to be supported, was the biggest selling tablet behind the ipad last year. I wonder why that was?

Last quarter Apple sold around 15 million. The Kindle Fire was sold an estimated 6 million. Now that may look impressive but basically for just under every 3 ipads sold one consumer wanted to buy a glorified Amazon media player. Now if a locked down tablet like the fire can get over 30% of the sales compared to the ipad imagine what the sales of the Nexus are going to be. Obviously at first they'll eat up the share of Amazon, Samsung Nook etc. but in a year or 2 there'll inevitably be a Nexus 10 and then I'm sure ipad's sales will come under pressure.

And going back to the masses if Apple know the consumers so well how come there are more and more rumours that there'll be a bigger iphone and smaller ipad coming out this year. Could it be Apple have realised there's quite a big chunk of the masses who aren't attracted to Apples current serving.

Also where are these facts of Apple always having superior products? I could link over a dozen reviews which claim Apple doesn't even have the best phone on the market at the moment
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Re: Google makes the Nexus 7 tablet official

Google have made a conscious decision to concentrate on the tablet market and after releasing the Nexus 7 as their first real attempt you can see they mean business. Not only that I do believe Chrome is now available for iPad so as you can see they're not sitting on their laurels they're using a multi-pronged strategy
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By the masses do you mean just you? In the US Apple has a 55% share of the tablet market. Remember 2 years ago the ipad had 100% of the tablet market.
The way I see it, with Android, Google has encouraged a race to the bottom, and thus a significant portion of that 55% is from far Eastern generic tabs running Android for around $100 -200. Don't expect any of these tabs to be any good, or for there to be much in the way of support.
Then there are the slew of branded Sony, Acer, Samsung tabs which come in a bewildering array of configurations, screen sizes etc.. at the last count Samsung made 8 different Tabs (not counting the permutations of memory and wifi/3G). So achieving market share with a motley crew of cheap and cheerful, or expensive and highly depreciating branded tablets is not exactly a major feat. Opel isn't a better car company because it outsells BMW.

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Apparently the HP touchpad, a tablet which wasn't even going to be supported, was the biggest selling tablet behind the ipad last year. I wonder why that was?
Err perhaps because they were being sold at firesale prices, and then snapped up by geeks who were porting unsupported versions of Android on them. A $500 tablet for $200... yes please, even though I don't even know what I would do with it

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Obviously at first they'll eat up the share of Amazon, Samsung Nook etc. but in a year or 2 there'll inevitably be a Nexus 10 and then I'm sure ipad's sales will come under pressure.
What exactly is the whole Google Nexus strategy? I thought it was to release a device with a reference standard and the latest software to get the ball rolling. Manufacturers like HTC, ASUS, Acer etc.. then release their own iterations with slightly better specs and the whole cycle continues. So basically what is there to wait for with the Nexus 10???? its just going to be an Asus/Samsung clone with Google branding and probably the most basic of specs. A case in point is the Nexus 7, which is nothing more than a hastily re-branded Asus ME370T.... the only way Google could bring out a Kindle Fire killer in 4 months

Anyway as I always say, I'm platform agnostic and have owned all the major OS devices (3 Android, 8 Apple, 1 Windows Phone) so for me its all good as I like to see new tech and have choices. The space I'm watching with most interest is Windows Tablet 8.
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The way I see it, with Android, Google has encouraged a race to the bottom, and thus a significant portion of that 55% is from far Eastern generic tabs running Android for around $100 -200. Don't expect any of these tabs to be any good, or for there to be much in the way of support.
Then there are the slew of branded Sony, Acer, Samsung tabs which come in a bewildering array of configurations, screen sizes etc.. at the last count Samsung made 8 different Tabs (not counting the permutations of memory and wifi/3G). So achieving market share with a motley crew of cheap and cheerful, or expensive and highly depreciating branded tablets is not exactly a major feat. Opel isn't a better car company because it outsells BMW.

Err perhaps because they were being sold at firesale prices, and then snapped up by geeks who were porting unsupported versions of Android on them. A $500 tablet for $200... yes please, even though I don't even know what I would do with it

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I think you missed my point a bit. I never said that any android tablet is better than the ipad. Sahsimiso claimed that the masses go for the ipod and was more or less suggesting that android will become obsolete. My point was that while the ipad is the best tablet around, there's still a huge crowd that either aren't prepared to pay the premium for the iPad and it's additional features or don't want to get locked in to Apple. Yes Opel ain't better than BMW and if you offered anyone the choice they'd mostly take the BMW yet when the consumer has to make the choice for a new car more take the Opel as they're more than happy with what it offers and don't feel the need to pay extra for what BMW offers extra.
Again my point with these examples was just to say there's a huge crowd of 'opel drivers' who will buy these products so it is currently highly unlikely that Android tablets are going away anytime soon.


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What exactly is the whole Google Nexus strategy? I thought it was to release a device with a reference standard and the latest software to get the ball rolling. Manufacturers like HTC, ASUS, Acer etc.. then release their own iterations with slightly better specs and the whole cycle continues. So basically what is there to wait for with the Nexus 10???? its just going to be an Asus/Samsung clone with Google branding and probably the most basic of specs. A case in point is the Nexus 7, which is nothing more than a hastily re-branded Asus ME370T.... the only way Google could bring out a Kindle Fire killer in 4 months

Anyway as I always say, I'm platform agnostic and have owned all the major OS devices (3 Android, 8 Apple, 1 Windows Phone) so for me its all good as I like to see new tech and have choices. The space I'm watching with most interest is Windows Tablet 8.
As you say I think the point is to try and put the end to the Kindle fire. All these eastern generic tablets will almost definitely be dead after this as well.

What there is to wait for with the Nexus 10 is a ten inch tablet which will be attractive to the ones who would like a bigger screen and I'm guessing it'll be a few hundred francs cheaper than the current iPad. I think once it arrives people may compare the two and also think the Nexus is more than sufficient for they need it for. An added bonus is as you say that Google have set down the marker for Asus and Samsung. If they want consumers to buy their products then they're gonna have to work hard to provide a product which justifies consumers paying more for them.

I also agree the windows tablets look interesting and them entering the market will put both Apple and Android makers under welcome pressure to up their game
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Re: Google makes the Nexus 7 tablet official

I think the whole point of the Nexus 7 is to bring some consistency to android tablet and set a certain standard, all like one of the previous posters said there are indeed a wild array of configurations.

This will bring more organisation and order to Android tablets as lets face it, it has some pretty decent hardware to run on now.
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What a load of twoddle... short road to retirement?
twoddle de twoddle me...

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and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple start to release some lower-priced phones and tablets in the next couple of years too to compete.
and when has that ever happened?
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and when has that ever happened?
I'd agree with the car analogy again, would BMW make lower spec models I think not as it would kind of devalue the brand somewhat, just my opinion though
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and when has that ever happened?

There are strong rumours going around suggesting Apple will be bringing out a 7 inch tablet of their own soon. A quick google of that suggested it will be similar to the 10 current one but with only 8 GB memory and around $200-250 so it may happen. We will see.
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Re: Google makes the Nexus 7 tablet official

Thing even if they do, who would want a downgraded version of the iPad? it's like buying a BMW X3, why didn't you pay extra for a proper one like the X5. God these automobile analogies are killing me today lol
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Thing even if they do, who would want a downgraded version of the iPad? it's like buying a BMW X3, why didn't you pay extra for a proper one like the X5. God these automobile analogies are killing me today lol
you mean like an 11" MBA instead of a 13" MBA?
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Spot on Phil, I bet someone will complain that the 11" MBA has it advantages lol
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Thing even if they do, who would want a downgraded version of the iPad? it's like buying a BMW X3, why didn't you pay extra for a proper one like the X5. God these automobile analogies are killing me today lol
hmmm cause they've got to park is Swiss parking lots....errr sorry wrong topic cause you need less arm room to hold it on the crowded trains here ?

Generally I'm more of a 'the bigger the screen, the better' person as well and I agree the X3 is a strange car yet people are still buying it. looking online and asking around I've been pretty surprised by how many people prefer 7 inches to 10. I'm interested to see how I get on with the Nexus. My laptop by comparison is 14 inches
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My laptop by comparison is 14 inches
by the same argument, why would anyone use anything less than a 17" laptop?
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Very true but I'm trying to get at the quality aspect and also the way that people perceive Apple products. Perhaps I'm not making my point well enough
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twoddle de twoddle me...

and when has that ever happened?
I guess you could say it happened with Apple keeping the iPhone 3GS (now very ropey) and iPhone 4 8GB (becoming increasingly ropey) in the lineup. Either way, Android has now gone from being a budget upstart, to a premium behemoth within an incredibly short space of time that hardware-wise is ahead of the iPhone in many respects (admittedly other than build quality) at all price-points. 399CHF gets you an Android phone that blows the iPhone 3GS out of the water (Galaxy II or Galaxy Nexus), and software-wise it is catching up in terms of polish with every release.

I think to capture the emerging markets that are now ballooning in terms of cell users, Apple are going to need to start putting out some lower-priced devices and start sacrificing a little of that premium build quality in favour of keeping the same strong market share over the next few years, because they no longer have the high-end as sewn up as it was.
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Re: Google makes the Nexus 7 tablet official

I think the decision to focus on the emerging markets will pay massive dividends not just now but also in the future, after all you reap what you sow.

Not that just that but the fact that the Nexus will be available in the UK before the Kindle Fire has put the cat amongst the pigeons and show's Google mean business. I've had countless mails from suppliers of PC goods that I use asking me if I want to pre-order the Nexus 7 so it's definitely game on in the tablet market in the UK.
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Asus announced on their Facebook page that the N7 will arrive in Europe this September and will be sold through regular channels rather than Google Play.
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