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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

The 1100D feels like made out of the same plastic that is used for tic tac boxes. I really don't think a beginner needs a 5D as others suggested, but the 100CHF or so that a 550D costs more is very well spent.
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Please let me know which DSLR is a good buy. I am a novice and would like to dive in DSLR's, but before investing I thought it would be good to ask the experts here! I dont want to compromise on picture quality but yes, it should not be awfully heavy and crazily priced.
I once had this thought a couple of years ago, which made me but a DSLR and consequently a ton lenses for it ($$$ !!!). I did have some experience though, and I knew that what I wanted could not be achieved with a compact camera.

I went traveling with the kit, but more than good photos, I recall the trouble of lugging a heavy backpack around and always having to take care about it.

Now, many years later, I again got a compact cam (Olympus XZ-1) and just love it. The compact camera segment is now having some kind of a renaissance and there's plenty of great cameras around (Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 is a particularly fine example).

If I were to start now with all I know, I would buy myself an Olympus OM-D (E-M5) and a couple of primes to go with it. That would make me very happy indeed.

Make sure you know very well why you want a DSLR. If you buy an entry level cam and intend to only use the supplied kit-lenses, then don't bother. Electronic viewfinders of some modern cams do as good as a job (or even better) than a penta-mirror viewfinder of an entry level DSLR. Autofocus speed and accuracy are also not longer such a big issue with some compacts.
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The 1100D feels like made out of the same plastic that is used for tic tac boxes. I really don't think a beginner needs a 5D as others suggested, but the 100CHF or so that a 550D costs more is very well spent.
Yes, I also think that 550D is an excellent camera for its price and a good starting point. Practice taking various type of photos and if you think you like DSLRs and want to upgrade, get better lenses. After that, if you think you can squeeze more out of your lenses, get a better body.
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Old 14.08.2012, 10:18
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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

I'm another fan of the high end compact cameras, they give full manual control, giving you the opportunity to learn the basics, and it's much easier to always have the camera with you, so you get to practise more.

I've had a Canon Powershot s95 for a couple of years now, it's a fantastic camera, great in low light and enough controls on it to take manual pics with ease, the new Sony DSC-RX100 mentioned above is a rival to to the new Canon s100, and from what I've read online it's possibly a better model, I'm considering it.

I'm considering a DSLR too, although my canon is good, there are certain shots a point and shoot just can't do, but I'm getting to know what those shots are, and whether or not I want to splash out on a dslr to get them.
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I'm considering a DSLR too, although my canon is good, there are certain shots a point and shoot just can't do, but I'm getting to know what those shots are, and whether or not I want to splash out on a dslr to get them.
Out of reach for compacts are:

- Wide angle <28mm (there are some compacts with 24mm primes, which are the exception, otherwise 24mm on compact-zooms is already a quality-compromise (soft corners and distortion)).

- Fish eye

- Good quality tele >200mm

- Shooting sports with reliable and fast autofocus tracking, and <200ms press-to-shoot delay (including AF)

- Very long exposure (>60s) (with some exceptions)

- Very shallow DOF (like 85mm/1.4 shallow, not 18-55mm/3.5-5.6 type of shallow which is now within reach for some compacts).

- Very low light (again, bright prime territory like 24/1.4, 50/1.4 or 85/1.4; not kit zooms which are now bettered by several compacts)

- Quality wise: high dynamic range photos, which are still the domain of mostly large sensor cameras (DSLR, mirrorless APS-C, some 4/3 and as for compacts, the Sony DSC-RX100 and high-end Fuji cams).
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Old 14.08.2012, 10:48
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The 1100D feels like made out of the same plastic that is used for tic tac boxes. I really don't think a beginner needs a 5D as others suggested, but the 100CHF or so that a 550D costs more is very well spent.
550D costs 43% more than the 1100D (body only from digitec). not convinced you get 43% more camera for your money.
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I'm another fan of the high end compact cameras, they give full manual control, giving you the opportunity to learn the basics, and it's much easier to always have the camera with you, so you get to practise more.

I've had a Canon Powershot s95 for a couple of years now, it's a fantastic camera, great in low light and enough controls on it to take manual pics with ease, the new Sony DSC-RX100 mentioned above is a rival to to the new Canon s100, and from what I've read online it's possibly a better model, I'm considering it.

I'm considering a DSLR too, although my canon is good, there are certain shots a point and shoot just can't do, but I'm getting to know what those shots are, and whether or not I want to splash out on a dslr to get them.
I have the Canon S100. Very nice camera if I do not want to lug my DSLR around, but there are a few things it just cannot do, for example, it doesn't click fast enough to catch my young kids who won't sit still.
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Old 14.08.2012, 11:34
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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

I had an SLR (40D) and sold it. I upgraded my pocket Powershot S80 to the S95.

The S95 is wonderful, in that it has full manual controls, takes RAW, and fits in my pocket.

However, and despite it being modern technology, it is slow. The only way to take a photo quickly is to be ready for it. Manual focus on the spot, manual (or locked) shutter/aperture and press the shutter button when the object enters the frame.

With an SLR it can take the lght reading, focus and take the photo in the time a pocket cam just moves the shutter blades around.

Plus an SLR works in low(er) light. But mainly it's the speed.

However, as fast as my SLR was, the photos it took when I left it at home were useless So pocket cam for me all the way, now. I take photos on holiday and of interesting things whilst out and about; I'm not a photographer.
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Old 14.08.2012, 11:42
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However, and despite it being modern technology, it is slow. The only way to take a photo quickly is to be ready for it. Manual focus on the spot, manual (or locked) shutter/aperture and press the shutter button when the object enters the frame.
Can't help but think it would be a much better camera with just one extra control, so exposure, aperture and focus could all be done without having to switch one function through the menu. I found the AF to be OK most of the time, but not always.
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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

(re Powershot S-range of Canon cameras) It could also be fixed in software. For example, if I'm turning the flash on, you press the flash button then use the rotating thingy to select a flash setting. Once done, the rotating thingy then reverts to adjusting shutter speed, aperture, or whatever. However, the delay between it coming out of the flash-setting mode is irritating.

Hitting the central "set" button immediately resets it back to the correct function. In other words, the camera is fast enough to keep up, but the software has these menu delays in it. I now press the "set" button after everything, but it would be easier if I could set the menu delay to a very low number. I don't need to see confirmation that the flash is on, I trust it. I need to turn on/off the flash, set the ISO, set the shutter speed and then the focus. (I rarely set aperture as such a small camera doesn't really have much scope for DoF fun.)

This is all fresh in my mind as I'm back from watching the women's and men's indoor volleyball finals, and struggled to work out the best way to use my camera to take the photos fast enough.
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The S95 is wonderful, in that it has full manual controls, takes RAW, and fits in my pocket.
What Adrian said - same for me with the G9 and G11 we have, for a simple reason: I shoot mainly underwater. This means that the amount of equipment more than doubles (and so does the price...). I have a DSLR for the fun of it - city trips and the like, but for 99% of the cases does a powerful compact do the job more than fine.

So well in fact that I happen to know a pro who shoots for a living with compacts instead of DSLRs. Here is what he shot with an S95 without any external llights:

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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

For you chaps with Canon compacts, have you ever tried flashing it with the CHDK mod? Opens up lots of interesting possibilities. I did it with my last one, good fun.
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Old 05.09.2012, 11:39
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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

I had a play with the Canon 650D in Media Markt yesterday, and it's pretty nice. Ergonomics are good, it felt nice and stable in the hand, just the right size and the rubber grip is well textured. Focussing was quick in stills with the 18-135mm kit lens, and the movie mode looks pretty damn amazing... ok focussing speed here is still lagging behind a mirrorless camera or point and shoot, but still acceptable in my opinion. Worth mentioning is the articulated capacitive touchscreen LCD... it's literally as sensitive as a phone, and after a few minutes is very intuitive to choose settings, quicker than just using buttons, especially in combination with the buttons (if that makes sense).

I played with the Nikon D3200, and although I know the Canon 650D is a notch above in term of price and (some) features, but it felt much nicer overall. The D3200 feels comparatively very small in comparison, and to me much more plasticky.

I'll wait for what Nikon bring to Photokina (D5100 successor hopefully), but it's definitely on my shortlist.
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For you chaps with Canon compacts, have you ever tried flashing it with the CHDK mod? Opens up lots of interesting possibilities. I did it with my last one, good fun.
Had a look at that, the s95 one is still in Beta, haven't tried it, but would like to do things such as time lapse and overclock exposure times.

Does anyone know why they would limit max exposure on a compact camera? Why does the s95 only do a maximum of 15s?
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focussing speed here is still lagging behind a mirrorless camera or point and shoot
Err what? You're really saying you find contrast AF faster than phase-detect AF? Or don't you use a view finder?
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Re: DSLR Camera Suggestion

Hi I am selling my Canon 5D for 1800chf if you are interested?
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Err what? You're really saying you find contrast AF faster than phase-detect AF? Or don't you use a view finder?
I was talking about the hybrid continuous AF used during video recording.
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Hi I am selling my Canon 5D for 1800chf if you are interested?
Original or Mark II? Either way I hope it's in 'as new' condition since a new 5D Mark II can be had for about SFr. 1950.
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I was talking about the hybrid continuous AF used during video recording.
From min 8 or so onwards...



Bottom line: the kit lense will be slow, you'll need one of the new STM lenses to have fast continuous focusing.
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From min 8 or so onwards...

[YOUTUBE]pfINGgM

Bottom line: the kit lense will be slow, you'll need one of the new STM lenses to have fast continuous focusing.
Bottom line: I used the 18-135mm kit lense, which is meant to be decent and common for this level of camera... what else should I base my opinion on?

EDIT - I believe Canon are shipping the 650D with the STM variant of the 18-135mm lense, so that will have been on it?

Nearly all the reviews i've read mention the hybrid AF system used in video recording, while better than the D600, is still slow when compared to modernt mirrorless cameras... i'm sure with a quick Google you can find several professional reviews that confirm that, one (reliable) example being http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...d-rebel-t4i/23

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While the results of these changes show noticeable improvement over the EOS 600D, AF in video mode is, unfortunately, still slow. In our time spent using the camera, we've not been able to reliably maintain focus on objects moving to or away from the camera at even a moderate walking pace. As it stands it's hard to envision situations in which continuous AF that is this slow has any practical benefits for tracking moving subjects.

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