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upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

This would be effective 1st January 2013 if I read correctly. This would practically mean that we would not need the set-top box for receiving Cablecom channels, and a subscription alone shall suffice (or am I wrong?).

Can any of you get anything more out of this article? Will this change have an effect on the bundled cable connection fee in the Nebenkosten, etc.?
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Old 16.10.2012, 17:03
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

this is awesome news. and kinda makes sense why they had the big push to convert internet only subscribers (like me) to internet+tv for a slightly higher fee.

time to buy a few DVB-C cards and make a multi-channel video recorder...
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

Got the answer to my own question... The cable connection charges (usually bundled with the Nebenkosten) will increase by CHF1.-
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This would be effective 1st January 2013 if I read correctly. This would practically mean that we would not need the set-top box for receiving Cablecom channels, and a subscription alone shall suffice (or am I wrong?).

Can any of you get anything more out of this article? Will this change have an effect on the bundled cable connection fee in the Nebenkosten, etc.?
Pretty sure you will still need a card and decoder - either a box or built in to the TV. That's the way it works in CH in non-Cablecom country.
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Old 16.10.2012, 18:16
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

The TV would need to be able to tune into digital (DBV-C?) channels. Most new ones can. Old ones can't, but Cablecom will send a free box that will convert these digital channels for an old analog-only TV. Decoder isn't necessary; that's the topic of the OP.
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

So, for a thick lad layperson, is it a bit like "Freeview" in the UK?

Our apartment block is wired for Cablecom, so with the bog standard arial carry digital signals for non-subscribers?
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

exactly... if you have a DVB-C capable television at home, and a Cablecom subscription without a Digicard, then you can plug out your cable from the Mediabox and plug it directly into your TV's cable slot and then scan for channels... your TV shall pick up everything, channel names, numbers and even the program guide, but you won't be able to view any actual TV because the data is encrypted... it is for decrypting this TV data that you need the Mediabox that Cablecom provides...

this article informs that this encryption of TV data shall be removed from next year onwards... so if you are paying the basic subscription of cable connection as part of your Nebenkosten and have not sealed up your cable wall port, then you should be able to view the free to air channels by plugging the cable into your TV after 1st January, 2013... in order to get more channels available in other packages, you will need to subscribe accordingly...

also included in the basic subscription is a free 300kbps internet connection which will be upgraded to 2mbps from next year... if you need higher speeds, you will need to subscribe accordingly...
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Nope, just the bog standard TV with a bog standard digital TV tuner. Nothing else needed.
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

Does this mean I can feed TV channels directly into a computer? Is there a USB dongle for that?
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So, for a thick lad layperson, is it a bit like "Freeview" in the UK?
No. For Freeview, you do not have to pay a connection fee.
For upc cablecom, a connection fee is still required. BUT the connection fee is, for many rental apartments, hidden in the rent and thus not immediately visible to the tenant. But you pay it anyway.

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Our apartment block is wired for Cablecom, so with the bog standard arial carry digital signals for non-subscribers?
Yes (although the landlord is the subscriber)
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

One thing that confused the issue, was the 2nd link in the OP.

So .... does this apply to all Cc. customers - in private houses, too - or just relate to rental tenants in blocks, and apply to and via the landlord only?
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Does this mean I can feed TV channels directly into a computer? Is there a USB dongle for that?
Any PC with a DVB-C tuner will work.

Whether the DVB-C tuner is on a dongle, or on card that you fit inside your PC, is just a matter of personal taste. And I guess some $$.

Googling "dvb-c tuner pc" reveals 10 million results.

Googling "dvb-c tuner pc switzerland" reveals 3 million results.

Start googling...
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does this apply to all Cc. customers - in private houses, too - or just relate to rental tenants in blocks, and apply to and via the landlord only?
your confusion is addressed here...

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For upc cablecom, a connection fee is still required. BUT the connection fee is, for many rental apartments, hidden in the rent and thus not immediately visible to the tenant. But you pay it anyway.
the 2nd link was about this connection fee... which you pay to your landlord, and he/she in turn to Cablecom
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Re: upc cablecom abolishes basic encryption

Hi,

as far as I understand the press release this is just for the 55 most popular channels. Really what they are talking about is the mini package which currently costs 4 CHF per month. If you want an English channel the only channels offered in the mini package is BBC World, Euronews, CNBC and CNN. So I would not raise your hopes too much that you will no longer need a set box.

This is the list of channels in the Cablecom mini package http://www.upc-cablecom.ch/en/b2c/tv...i&regionstyp=2

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If you want an English channel the only channels offered in the mini package is BBC World, Euronews, CNBC and CNN. So I would not raise your hopes too much that you will no longer need a set box.
somehow I missed that logic... thanks for the clarification... oh well then this is good news for people with the Mini package only... one device lesser, one cable lesser, one remote controller lesser...
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Hi,

as far as I understand the press release this is just for the 55 most popular channels. Really what they are talking about is the mini package which currently costs 4 CHF per month. If you want an English channel the only channels offered in the mini package is BBC World, Euronews, CNBC and CNN. So I would not raise your hopes too much that you will no longer need a set box.

This is the list of channels in the Cablecom mini package http://www.upc-cablecom.ch/en/b2c/tv...i&regionstyp=2

Have fun

Martin
Quite. This is not the big give away UPC-CC would have us believe: they have lost the CHF99.- one-off payments for the digicard and lost the CHF4.- a month for the basic digital offering of 55 channels (unless subscribers still pay the CHF4.- and get more channels).

BUT UPC-CC will gain CHF1.- an month more from each of the 1.8 million subscribers in 2013 and a further CHF1.- a month in 2014. That's 21.6 million more income in 2013 and 43.20 million in 2014 - for actually doing nothing but flicking a few switches, it cost them nothing to implement...
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for actually doing nothing but flicking a few switches, it cost them nothing to implement...
Now there's a statement based on a profound lack of knowledge.

I had a tour through a cable TV headend once and the complexity is much much much more than you would believe.
The place I saw received 800 channels and had to prepare the signals from many sources and multplex them together through various redundant systems.

To change a system with hundreds of channels takes a lot of very careful planning and implementation, so that the existing systems do not break.

When you walk through rooms and rooms of equipment from floor to ceiling, all used to prepare the signal, you just go Wow! And then the guy took me to the next room, and then the next, and then the next.....

It is not a simple switch or a simple click of the mouse. It is much much much more complex than that.

So please do not over simplify with ignorance. I only half understand the complexities, and they are much more than you could imagine
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a dreambox is your friend in this situation
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Now there's a statement based on a profound lack of knowledge.

I had a tour through a cable TV headend once and the complexity is much much much more than you would believe.
The place I saw received 800 channels and had to prepare the signals from many sources and multplex them together through various redundant systems.

To change a system with hundreds of channels takes a lot of very careful planning and implementation, so that the existing systems do not break.

When you walk through rooms and rooms of equipment from floor to ceiling, all used to prepare the signal, you just go Wow! And then the guy took me to the next room, and then the next, and then the next.....

It is not a simple switch or a simple click of the mouse. It is much much much more complex than that.

So please do not over simplify with ignorance. I only half understand the complexities, and they are much more than you could imagine
Yeh, yeh, rooms of stuff and eggheads. But what about the millions of extra revenue??
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