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Vegan_Chef 10.11.2012 14:53

Is Downloading movies for personal use legal here
 
Was talking to two of my neighbors before and both said that in Switzerland downloading movies from any site is legal for personal use?

Can this be right?

Is piracy allowed here?

Kristanez 10.11.2012 14:56

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Yes it is legal.

Jonesy 10.11.2012 15:00

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Yes, isn't legal in Germany, France, Spain, etc?

Vegan_Chef 10.11.2012 15:01

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Originally Posted by Kristanez (Post 1712105)
Yes it is legal.

Thank you, could hug you right now :)

Means I can get homeland season 2 and good wife and blue blood without have to wait till the next season each year.

You a made my week :wave:

Vegan_Chef 10.11.2012 15:05

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Originally Posted by Jonesy (Post 1712109)
Yes, isn't legal in Germany, France, Spain, etc?

France, no way first time is a warning,then a registered letter, strike three is internet cut off three month.
Germany you pay a fine when they track you down
A friend of mine had to pay 1400 Euros for two songs her 15 yr old son Down loaded and put on his Facebook page.

This is a great place to live,love it

Jim2007 10.11.2012 15:15

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Originally Posted by Vegan_Chef (Post 1712102)
Was talking to two of my neighbors before and both said that in Switzerland downloading movies from any site is legal for personal use?

Well yes it is, but you need to be careful how you do it! To be strictly legal, you need to ensure that when you connect you are only downloading - most torrent applications do a few other things at the same time, so you might be in a grey area, if that is how you do the downloads.

Jonesy 10.11.2012 15:25

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 1712126)
Well yes it is, but you need to be careful how you do it! To be strictly legal, you need to ensure that when you connect you are only downloading - most torrent applications do a few other things at the same time, so you might be in a grey area, if that is how you do the downloads.

Isn't it enough if you stop sharing when your download is complete?

Sean Connery 10.11.2012 16:21

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Originally Posted by Vegan_Chef (Post 1712118)
A friend of mine had to pay 1400 Euros for two songs her 15 yr old son Down loaded and put on his Facebook page.

I think you'll find you'd have a problem here for that
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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 1712126)
Well yes it is, but you need to be careful how you do it! To be strictly legal, you need to ensure that when you connect you are only downloading - most torrent applications do a few other things at the same time, so you might be in a grey area, if that is how you do the downloads.

I believe you might have to be the initial seeder rather than a leecher - I'd say in the absence of legal cases, seeding as little as you can looks to be a good approach....

FriendlyKiwi 10.11.2012 16:48

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Originally Posted by Vegan_Chef (Post 1712102)
Was talking to two of my neighbors before and both said that in Switzerland downloading movies from any site is legal for personal use?

Yes, this is legal

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Originally Posted by Vegan_Chef (Post 1712102)
Is piracy allowed here?

No, piracy is not allowed and is illegal

But downloading movies for personal use is not defined as piracy in Switzerland

mordae 10.11.2012 16:51

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Originally Posted by Jonesy (Post 1712135)
Isn't it enough if you stop sharing when your download is complete?

Not really, as with bittorrent you upload any small parts of the movie data you have on your hard drive. So technically as soon as you have downloaded even a second of the movie, you can upload it.

And there we have the grey area. Everybody agrees (even if rights holders don't like it and would like to change it) that pure downloading is legal, but the question is when uploading starts being illegal.

Obviously rights holders want it to be illegal as soon as you upload a byte. Others argue that (unless you are the inital uploader), you never upload a complete movie (or song) but just unrelated parts of it.

Think of it as a symphony. Copying individual notes from different times of the piece and distributing them won't be an offense, as only the complete symphony is an independent work of art which can be protected.

In short, technologies
- running down- and uploads in parallel are a grey area (BitTorrent, eDonkey, Direct Connect)
- where uploads are independent from downloads are fine (Usenet Newsgroups, HTTP or FTP file sharing) for downloaders

Chrisso 10.11.2012 16:57

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I've heard VUZE is one of the best sites to use...;)

Guest 10.11.2012 17:07

Usenet.nl and usenetserver

Jonesy 10.11.2012 17:44

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Originally Posted by FriendlyKiwi (Post 1712204)
Yes, this is legal



No, piracy is not allowed and is illegal

But downloading movies for personal use is not defined as piracy in Switzerland

Thanks, very well explained.

Downloading movies, series, docus for personal use. LEGAL
Downloading music for personal use. LEGAL
Sharing movies, series, docus or music. ILLEGAL

Downloading and sharing programs (office, windows, etc). LEGAL or ILLEGAL?

Am I right?

rob1 10.11.2012 17:53

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Originally Posted by Chrisso (Post 1712218)
I've heard VUZE is one of the best sites to use...;)

Unless you have access to private trackers.. I max out my connection speed within about 5 seconds :D

Medea Fleecestealer 10.11.2012 18:09

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Originally Posted by Jonesy (Post 1712257)
Thanks, very well explained.

Downloading movies, series, docus for personal use. LEGAL
Downloading music for personal use. LEGAL
Sharing movies, series, docus or music. ILLEGAL

Downloading and sharing programs (office, windows, etc). LEGAL or ILLEGAL?

Am I right?

Downloading and sharing any material/programs would be illegal here I would think. Also uploading material is illegal in Switzerland.

Jonesy 11.11.2012 13:07

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 1712269)
Downloading and sharing any material/programs would be illegal here I would think. Also uploading material is illegal in Switzerland.

OK, that would be by downloading, but if I donwload photoshop to use it at home but not to earn money (not professionally). I think with software is always ILLEGAL downloading and sharing. Isn't it?

rob1 11.11.2012 13:17

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the software question has been asked a few times but never properly answered ... it only has" i think, it might be, maybe" type replies

Medea Fleecestealer 11.11.2012 13:28

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Originally Posted by Jonesy (Post 1712705)
OK, that would be by downloading, but if I donwload photoshop to use it at home but not to earn money (not professionally). I think with software is always ILLEGAL downloading and sharing. Isn't it?

I would think downloading any programs without paying for them is illegal, certainly sharing them around would be. Things like music, video, etc, to download for personal use seems to be okay here in Switzerland.

FriendlyKiwi 11.11.2012 13:32

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 1712722)
I would think downloading any programs without paying for them is illegal, certainly sharing them around would be.

Not true, many software program authors distribute their software for free and actively encourage people to redistribute the software, all at no cost.

Jonesy 11.11.2012 13:43

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Originally Posted by FriendlyKiwi (Post 1712726)
Not true, many software program authors distribute their software for free and actively encourage people to redistribute the software, all at no cost.

Exactly. We should distinguish between open source, freeware, shareware and on the oder side the "payware". The first group is clearly legal, but the second group should be theorically legal too, because you are not earning money with it, but I am not sure.

Examples: office, windows, photoshop, ... żLEGAL OR ILLEGAL?


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