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Windows 8 Desktop

I'm looking to but a new Windows 8 desktop to replace my current machine but not finding much out there as it's mainly tablets. Should I hold off or plunge in? If so any recommendations?

And yes I said desktop if I wanted a tablet I would buy a tablet so no unhelpful feedback in that direction please.
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Old 17.11.2012, 00:43
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Saw this on the latest Landi flyer. A bit mid range, with only i3 processor, but I've been satisfied with other Medion products.



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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Buy any Intel desktop you fancy, and then install / upgrade to Windows 8.

If you want to benefit from the full features of Windows 8 (7 + touch) then buy a touch screen monitor, but probably overkill as reaching over the keyboard and table is a PITA. Windows 8 is for tablets, that appeases desktops, don't be fooled in thinking that for a desktop user , that it offers a better experience than Windows 7. Avoid the driver hassle, avoid the juvenile interface, and stick to Windows 7.
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Dell??
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

I tried Windows 8 on an older laptop of mine to see what it was like....ugh. The rest of my equipment is definitely staying on Windows 7.
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Buy any Intel desktop you fancy, and then install / upgrade to Windows 8.

If you want to benefit from the full features of Windows 8 (7 + touch) then buy a touch screen monitor, but probably overkill as reaching over the keyboard and table is a PITA. Windows 8 is for tablets, that appeases desktops, don't be fooled in thinking that for a desktop user , that it offers a better experience than Windows 7. Avoid the driver hassle, avoid the juvenile interface, and stick to Windows 7.
Agree with everything you say. However, there are a couple of mods out there to change Win8 so it doesn't load the ridiculous Metro and the desktop is loser to normal Win7. You then have pretty much the same experience as Win7.
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Thanks for the feedback so far. I agree a touch screen monitor would be good, however my current monitor is fairly new so I'm just looking to buy the base unit and was thinking to buy near the top of the range to future proof and because of lust for shiny new kit.

So was thinking i7 processor, SSD, lots of memory and disk. Looking on digitec then there is HP Envy Phoenix h9, Acer and Asus or their own brand which I have no experience of. Was hoping to spend about 1200 but their prices are more like 1500.

Dell and Alienware are still playing catch up when I looked yesterday. In Switzerland at least. Really can't be bothered to buy a Windows 7 machine and upgrade it. Likewise as to building it myself.
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Buy something cheap, add an SSD and memory, then install Linux (ubuntu). Itll run fast with loads of free software and hardly any viruses.
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

By the way did you work at CS 2009 Compliance ?
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

My Windows 7 PC became unusable, so I opted for Windows 8 and am hugely regretting it.

There is clearly a steep learning curve for any new version of Windows, but the new features in time seem to be useful. However Windows 8 seems to be entirely designed for a handheld device and is an infuriating difficult OS to use on a desktop. The desktop has lost all that rich functionality - even in many cases the close window button.

In addition many programs do not seem to work at all. I can't even get it to recognise my activation code for my old copy of Office 2010. Of course, everything is hugely Microsoft oriented so you have to go through some hoops to get Chrome up and running.

And it is incredibly slow, much slower than Windows 7.

Finally, it is of course incredibly buggy. I guess this was to be expected, although Windows 7 was more stable. I'm sure over time the bugs will get ironed out and Microsoft will even get its online help to recognise that there are people using Windows 8. With hindsight, I should have stuck to Windows 7. Like 3.11, 95, NT and XP it was one of the times Microsoft got it more right than wrong.

I also run Linux and have been very happy with it. My main reasons for sticking with Windows at all is my intimate knowledge of Office and a bunch of other Windows specific applications. I did use Apple for a long time, but I find them these days more proprietary than even Microsoft. And the iPad is more than twice the price of the rather better (IMHO) Nexus 7.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

This is what you get when you try to run a tablet GUI as a desktop GUI. Bad call Microsoft.

In the programming trade back home we would call a result such as this a "horse's arse".
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

Windows 8 is fine, it's pretty much the same as Vista and Windows 7 and a lot cheaper.

Once it's installed download a start button and set it to boot in desktop mode.

There's no need to use the ipad mode on a PC.
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Once it's installed download a start button and set it to boot in desktop mode.

There's no need to use the ipad mode on a PC.
I did mentio this option at beginning of thread. However, for your average Joe this is an undesirable hack.
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My Windows 7 PC became unusable, so I opted for Windows 8 and am hugely regretting it.

There is clearly a steep learning curve for any new version of Windows, but the new features in time seem to be useful. However Windows 8 seems to be entirely designed for a handheld device and is an infuriating difficult OS to use on a desktop. The desktop has lost all that rich functionality - even in many cases the close window button.

In addition many programs do not seem to work at all. I can't even get it to recognise my activation code for my old copy of Office 2010. Of course, everything is hugely Microsoft oriented so you have to go through some hoops to get Chrome up and running.

And it is incredibly slow, much slower than Windows 7.

Finally, it is of course incredibly buggy. I guess this was to be expected, although Windows 7 was more stable. I'm sure over time the bugs will get ironed out and Microsoft will even get its online help to recognise that there are people using Windows 8. With hindsight, I should have stuck to Windows 7. Like 3.11, 95, NT and XP it was one of the times Microsoft got it more right than wrong.

I also run Linux and have been very happy with it. My main reasons for sticking with Windows at all is my intimate knowledge of Office and a bunch of other Windows specific applications. I did use Apple for a long time, but I find them these days more proprietary than even Microsoft. And the iPad is more than twice the price of the rather better (IMHO) Nexus 7.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

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Wow, that's a pretty unfortunate experience, it sounds like you would be much better sticking to your Linux environment, hope things cheer up a bit with the windows box.

Just to give another opinion I like the new UI, my installs including office 2010 have worked seamlessly and I haven't had a single application crash yet - chrome in particular just worked flawlessly.
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

I'll persevere. It is amazing how two out of the box installs an have such different outcomes. I actually got a PC with Windows 8 pre-installed precisely because I hoped for your good fortune. The first time I did anything - which was load IE - the free trial pre-installed Norton utility crashed!
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Re: Windows 8 Desktop

it's lightning quick on a 5-year-old laptop - dropped in an SSD, 4Gb RAM and it boots in 11 seconds.

only issue is not Windows 8 but rather the flawed laptop which is now undervolted to stop thermal issues - which it has had on all operating systems.

I can work without desktop until I use Office 2013.
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a touch screen monitor would be good.
Why would you want touchscreen on a non mobile device?

It makes no sense.


Just google "gorilla arm"
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Why would you want touchscreen on a non mobile device?

It makes no sense.


Just google "gorilla arm"
Yep makes no sense. Just like Metro makes no sense as a UI on a non-tablet.
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Once it's installed download a start button and set it to boot in desktop mode.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net

hunt around on google to find the start buttons of your preference if you don't like the defaults.
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Yep makes no sense. Just like Metro makes no sense as a UI on a non-tablet.
Im fascinated by this kind of opinion. What about it makes no sense in particular to you ? In previous incarnations of Operating Systems the classic GUI has been a mouse and either a set of menu's or on screen "shortcuts" which launch applications. Shortcuts, being visual representations of applications which are clicked on. Here with Windows 8, the tiles that make the UI, are shortcuts which launch applications, yet are seemingly being dismissed as an appalling ill thought out design. I don't follow the logic. What is it about the Windows Tiles that is so undesirable ?
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