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Old 05.12.2012, 13:38
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The Cmd key in OSX works very similarly to Ctrl in Windows, as in many of the keyboard shortcuts are the same
If you have a standard 1 button mouse, you may find yourself missing at times the functionality of the second button (a design choice I've never agreed with). Hold the ctrl key while you click and voila, you have a right click, with options that are fairly similar to what you'd expect when right clicking in Windows.

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Bit late to the party here, but since Windows 7 I see no real advantage switching to Mac if you're already familiar with Windows.

In fact next year I'm likely to be switching to windows as I'm getting sick and tired of Apple's limiting hardware.
To Windows 8? 7 was ok, but I'm not sure I'm on board with 8.

The Mac still outdoes Windows when it comes to things like Time Machine though. Same with integration to an AppleTV. Apple's got vendor lock-in pretty well down, I think, but it does work pretty transparently.
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Old 05.12.2012, 13:42
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I'd say it's more than a premium. Lets say you want to upgrade your iMac from a 1TB to a 2TB HD. Retail price for an off the shelf 2TB HD is around 100 - 130 for a standard desktop 3.5" HD. Apple's price for what would be exactly the same HD at end user price is around 600 chufs.
I just ordered a new iMac a couple days ago, and I don't see where you get your numbers from. Here are the options, with prices listed as a change from the base (1 TB magnetic disk).

1 TB Serial-ATA-Festplatte mit 7200 U/Min.
3 TB Serial-ATA-Festplatte mit 7200 U/Min. [+ CHF 165.00]
1 TB Fusion Drive [+ CHF 275.00]
3 TB Fusion Drive [+ CHF 440.00]
768 GB Flash-Speicher [+ CHF 1,430.00]

You can get cheaper disks, to be sure, but I don't think you'll see a huge price savings for a 2.5" (which is what the iMacs use) 3 TB magnetic disk that you purchase seperately. Certainly not on the order of 400 CHF, which seems to be what you're saying.

Admittedly, I don't know what the base price of the 1 TB magnetic disk is.
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Old 05.12.2012, 13:43
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I think the suggestion is not at order time but in the product lifecycle.
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Old 05.12.2012, 13:53
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I just ordered a new iMac a couple days ago, and I don't see where you get your numbers from. Here are the options, with prices listed as a change from the base (1 TB magnetic disk).

1 TB Serial-ATA-Festplatte mit 7200 U/Min.
3 TB Serial-ATA-Festplatte mit 7200 U/Min. [+ CHF 165.00]
1 TB Fusion Drive [+ CHF 275.00]
3 TB Fusion Drive [+ CHF 440.00]
768 GB Flash-Speicher [+ CHF 1,430.00]

You can get cheaper disks, to be sure, but I don't think you'll see a huge price savings for a 2.5" (which is what the iMacs use) 3 TB magnetic disk that you purchase seperately. Certainly not on the order of 400 CHF, which seems to be what you're saying.

Admittedly, I don't know what the base price of the 1 TB magnetic disk is.
You're correct, but this only applies at the point of purchase. Should you end up wanting to do it after purchase then the price I mentioned is pretty much bang on.

Just a point to note, in the new 21" model it's true that 2.5" drives are used, but in the 27" model 3.5" drives are used.
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Old 05.12.2012, 14:33
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If you have a standard 1 button mouse, you may find yourself missing at times the functionality of the second button (a design choice I've never agreed with). Hold the ctrl key while you click and voila, you have a right click, with options that are fairly similar to what you'd expect when right clicking in Windows.
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All modern macs have right click either on their mice or laptop trackpads. You just have to enable it in mouse or trackpad settings.
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Old 05.12.2012, 17:24
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You're correct, but this only applies at the point of purchase. Should you end up wanting to do it after purchase then the price I mentioned is pretty much bang on.

Just a point to note, in the new 21" model it's true that 2.5" drives are used, but in the 27" model 3.5" drives are used.
My bad, you're right about the size - that's why it spins at 7200 RPMs. If you want to buy after purchase, though, then you also have to incorporate their service fee - or is that part of the price you mentioned?

Overall value for money, though, seems to be about right, if you read reviews like this one: http://reviews.cnet.com/imac/

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All modern macs have right click either on their mice or laptop trackpads. You just have to enable it in mouse or trackpad settings.
Nifty. My mac will turn 6 in January, so that's probably I had to learn that trick, but thanks for sharing. ;-)
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Old 05.12.2012, 18:22
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Re: Calling Slaphead & any other Mac Experts

Corbets,

Macs tend to look even better with age. my gf's white macbook is starting to look nicely retro by now, and she still swears by it.

Cannot say that about a lot of pc's!
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Old 05.12.2012, 18:26
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OK I bit the bullet & bought a MacBook Pro from inter discount last week for 999. It's beautifully made & has a great battery life but WTF. Windows is so much easier to use. Am I missing something?

Should I just install windows ?
They obviously sold you a dud. The best thing to do is sell it on to some other idiot (me?) for perhaps 777CHF and put the money towards a windows laptop.
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Old 05.12.2012, 19:27
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There are two things in a computer that should always be accessible by the end user - RAM and Hard Disk. Apple is now taking the utter p**s out of the customer by failing on this count.
but hey it looks 'cool'...
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Old 05.12.2012, 19:31
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My bad, you're right about the size - that's why it spins at 7200 RPMs. If you want to buy after purchase, though, then you also have to incorporate their service fee - or is that part of the price you mentioned?
You can get 2.5" drives that run at 7200 RPM, but you can't get a 3TB 2.5" drive at the moment. I think the max is 1.5TB for a 2.5" drive, but TBH I've never seen a 2.5" larger than 1TB.

The price I mentioned is just for the drive, the work installing, it and transferring the data if required, would be at additional cost.
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For those switching like Corbets, consider watching the video lessons on lynda.com I use the site to learn how to use new software.
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You can get 2.5" drives that run at 7200 RPM, but you can't get a 3TB 2.5" drive at the moment. I think the max is 1.5TB for a 2.5" drive, but TBH I've never seen a 2.5" larger than 1TB.

The price I mentioned is just for the drive, the work installing, it and transferring the data if required, would be at additional cost.
2TB drives just coming online...Digitec etc. (Product # 249936)
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For those switching like Corbets, consider watching the video lessons on lynda.com I use the site to learn how to use new software.
For the record, Corbets isn't switching. He's on his 3rd Mac now.
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Old 05.12.2012, 21:15
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You can get 2.5" drives that run at 7200 RPM, but you can't get a 3TB 2.5" drive at the moment. I think the max is 1.5TB for a 2.5" drive, but TBH I've never seen a 2.5" larger than 1TB.

The price I mentioned is just for the drive, the work installing, it and transferring the data if required, would be at additional cost.
out of interest, how much would the install cost (no data transfer)?
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I very nearly switched a few months ago. Wanted the 15" Macbook retina thing. Then I changed my mind due to the soldered RAM and (currently) non user-upgradable SSD and battery.

Then just when I convinced myself it would be fine, I read page after page of people on forums having awful image retention issues. Ouch. On a stupidly expensive laptop whose only claim to fame is the screen.

Thing is, I now don't know what to buy.

My Tosh Portege R700 is still doing great though, so I'm not in a hurry.

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My advice is not to install windows or linux, just give yourself time to get used to OS X. People sometimes bemoan the fact that not everything is like windows... well, why should it be? Answer: It shouldn't.

infact: it is EASIER than thought! the usability is so much easier than the windows-i-have-to-click-through-some-panels-n-interfaces-to-take out-the marker-to-make-it-work
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Command Q ! Thanks that worked.
Obvious, wasn't it?
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No, why should it be?
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No, why should it be?
It's a mac, their whole USP has always been their claimed ease of use, so this sort of thing always makes me laugh.
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:27
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It's a load of BS from people who have never used a PC.
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